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Old 07-06-2010, 01:49 PM
 
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The laws aren't as broad as you'd like them to be. Sorry.
As I earlier posted, existing laws satisfactorily keep smoke out of my face, that's all I care about.
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Old 07-06-2010, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Sorry for your troubles....
There's enforcement when I do something that isn't against the law, and no enforcement when I do something that is against the law--but rational.

So what's the point again?
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Old 07-06-2010, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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As I earlier posted, existing laws satisfactorily keep smoke out of my face, that's all I care about.
People can smoke outdoors--if you choose not to go outdoors, I'm sure you'll be fine. Otherwise you have no recourse--the cop would laugh in your face if you tried to tell him the law.
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Old 07-06-2010, 01:55 PM
 
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There's enforcement when I do something that isn't against the law, and no enforcement when I do something that is against the law--but rational.

So what's the point again?
As it applies to you walking the streets? Don't know. As it applies to freeing non-smokers from the noxious fumes of cigarettes while they eat their dinner in a restaurant, or fly in an airplane, or shop in a store, or sit in a classroom, or work in an office, or attend a meeting, etc - being able to breathe smoke free air.
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Old 07-06-2010, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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If you don't like smoke--then don't go to those places.

I've often suggested that they should open places specifically for smokers and for non-smokers, and see which ones survive. Majority rule...or really, the profits rule.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:03 PM
 
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People can smoke outdoors--if you choose not to go outdoors, I'm sure you'll be fine. Otherwise you have no recourse--the cop would laugh in your face if you tried to tell him the law.
Depends. Some localities prohibit smoking in restaurants - indoors and out. For myself, I don't sit outdoors, if there are smokers present. I live in S. Florida, where it's too hot for outdoor dining most of the time, so indoors is the preferred place to eat.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:04 PM
 
Location: California
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If you don't like smoke--then don't go to those places.

I've often suggested that they should open places specifically for smokers and for non-smokers, and see which ones survive. Majority rule...or really, the profits rule.
The problem I have with majority rules, besides that it flys in the face of everything the USA stands for, is that often the majority is a bunch of idiots.

As it stands, I wouldn't go into a smoke shop and complain about the smoke. Or into anyones home. Or anywhere outside or just walking down the street...unless there were butts all over and then I'd complain about the litter.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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If you don't like smoke--then don't go to those places.

I've often suggested that they should open places specifically for smokers and for non-smokers, and see which ones survive. Majority rule...or really, the profits rule.
They do have places for smokers. Cigar lounges.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:05 PM
 
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If you don't like smoke--then don't go to those places.

I've often suggested that they should open places specifically for smokers and for non-smokers, and see which ones survive. Majority rule...or really, the profits rule.
Really? So nonsmokers should avoid....essentially, every place where people gather? Fortunately, the laws do not agree with you....
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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The problem I have with majority rules, besides that it flys in the face of everything the USA stands for, is that often the majority is a bunch of idiots.

As it stands, I wouldn't go into a smoke shop and complain about the smoke. Or into anyones home. Or anywhere outside or just walking down the street...unless there were butts all over and then I'd complain about the litter.
Actually, a democracy doesn't mean that the minority runs roughshod over the majority.
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