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Old 07-30-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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Excellent idea. Now we'll raise your taxes 50% to pay for it all.
Reappropriate. Don't believe the BS your government feeds you about money. Money is there. It just needs to be reappropriated.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:00 PM
 
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It's time to quit playing footsies with criminals.

No more slaps on the wrist. No more "rehabilitation" bullcrap.

No discretionary power for judges to reduce sentences. No early release for "good behavior."

Hard time. That's what you get for breaking the law. No counseling. No prayer rugs. Just you and the walls and the bars to sort out your mess.

Harsher sentences for every stripe of felon is what we need. Very harsh. The fear of never seeing freedom again kind of harsh.

Stop funding non-sensical studies on college kids drinking beer and having unprotected sex in Brazil. Use that money to build more prisons. Build them now. And when those fill up. Build more. Eventually one of two things will happen: Criminals will finally get the message, or our streets will be safer and free from the local recidivist with his eye on your property or your loved ones.
We have more folks in prison, than any other country in the world. I'm tired of paying for them. They have become
a business at tax payers expense. They are suited for
murderers, rapists, and the kind. All other non violent criminals should be fined and ordered to perform community service. Prisons today have just become an extension of Welfare.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:01 PM
 
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And as usual, AGDC heads out after a red herring rather than addressing the discussion head on.

Last I looked, the burglary and rape of an 89 year old woman was not among the more ambiguous cases of "who is the victim."

You really have trouble following along don't you?

According to mhouse, we "create our own misery." He used that in the context of being victims of crime. 89 year old Jane, being the victim of crime, fits in the context of his rant. He states specifically that the victim is partly responsible for their circumstance.

Keep up. I know its hard sometimes. But at least try.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:06 PM
 
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We have more folks in prison, than any other country in the world. I'm tired of paying for them. They have become
a business at tax payers expense. They are suited for
murderers, rapists, and the kind. All other non violent criminals should be fined and ordered to perform community service. Prisons today have just become an extension of Welfare.
I don't like paying for them either. But the reality is that it's not going to stop. So the alternative is to crank up the pressure on criminals. Do the crime, do really harsh time via long sentences. Rehabilitation has done nothing to solve the crime problem. Pumping money into poor communities has done nothing to stop crime. So crank the pressure up. Make them pay for their bad decisions.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:10 PM
 
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Reappropriate.

We've been building prisons for years. We've already reappopriated money in a lot of states away from school and instead into the massive correctional industry. Much of which is spent on housing non-violent drug offenders for substances such as marijuana.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:12 PM
 
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We've been building prisons for years. We've already reappopriated money in a lot of states away from school and instead into the massive correctional industry. Much of which is spent on housing non-violent drug offenders for substances such as marijuana.
As I have said several times, I support reevaluation of arcane laws. I don't disagree with you.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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Reappropriate. Don't believe the BS your government feeds you about money. Money is there. It just needs to be reappropriated.
Yes... reappropriated away from enforcing drug laws.

But then again, do away with drug laws, and you won't have to put the extra money back into the justice system, because a huge amount of the unnecessary cost would be eliminated and the resources will be freed up tremendously.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:49 PM
 
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Yes... reappropriated away from enforcing drug laws.

But then again, do away with drug laws, and you won't have to put the extra money back into the justice system, because a huge amount of the unnecessary cost would be eliminated and the resources will be freed up tremendously.
I would support some variation of your idea. But "doing away with drug laws" doesn't seem to be tenable in my view. Maybe reevaluating arcane laws that are lopsided and unfair, but doing away with laws criminalizing drugs would seem to open up the streets to the very violent drug gangs we seek to rid ourselves of.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:58 PM
 
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Oooops, Congress removes disparity in sentencing for cocaine possession. The boom days for the prison business is over! Thank god!
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Old 07-30-2010, 01:02 PM
 
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I would support some variation of your idea. But "doing away with drug laws" doesn't seem to be tenable in my view. Maybe reevaluating arcane laws that are lopsided and unfair, but doing away with laws criminalizing drugs would seem to open up the streets to the very violent drug gangs we seek to rid ourselves of.
Only in the same way we see violent alcohol gangs on the streets. Oh wait, that was largely because of prohibition and ended when alcohol was legalized and allowed to be sold by legitimate taxpaying businesses instead of black market thugs.
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