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Old 07-29-2010, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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Is he a felon? As a felon, did he escape punishment? I don't listen to Rush so I have no clue.

Yes and Yes. He should be wearing stripes.
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Isn't the USA the most imprisoned nation in the world? If places like China, N. Korea and Iran imprison a smaller percentage of it's people,then it sure doesn't make the USA look very good. We as a country can only tolerate so much freedom.
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:33 PM
 
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Deterrance would be a side benefit, not the primary benefit. The primary benefit would be keeping those people off the streets for longer. Prison violence is no consequence to me. Don't want to get raped? Don't go to prison. The emphasis on protecting the individual in prison could be remedied by individual cells, 23 hours per day. Solitary confinement. Don't like that idea? Don't commit a felony, and all will be well. It's really pretty simple. I've managed to stay out of prison my entire life. It's not hard to do.

Easy to say.......until you or someone you know gets unjustly imprisoned. I hope this never happens to you.
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:34 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Isn't the USA the most imprisoned nation in the world?
This is correct, but some think more of the same is the answer.

I guess it feels good to be so superior to others.
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:37 PM
 
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Isn't the USA the most imprisoned nation in the world? If places like China, N. Korea and Iran imprison a smaller percentage of it's people,then it sure doesn't make the USA look very good. We as a country can only tolerate so much freedom.
What's the alternative? Let criminals go? Turn a blind eye to the crime? Lecture and forgive?

Surely there are societal ills that can and should be dealt with on the macro level, but government can only do so much for Johhny Smith and how he's raised. Once Johnny is an adult, he should know that killing/robbing/raping are not acceptable. At that point its time to incarcerate. Agree? Disagree?
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:38 PM
 
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This is correct, but some think more of the same is the answer.

I guess it feels good to be so superior to others.
I'm not understanding your "superior" point? What does being a law-abiding citizen have to do with being "superior" to a criminal?
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:41 PM
 
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Easy to say.......until you or someone you know gets unjustly imprisoned. I hope this never happens to you.
I agree with you. Unjust imprisonment happens. But that's largely out of control of the populace. And honestly, probably pretty rare. In any case, it's horrible. Are those seemingly rare cases enough for you to declare that prison life is a reason to not incarcerate someone? The probability of getting raped is a reason to slow the pace of imprisoning criminals?
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:43 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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I'm not understanding your "superior" point? What does being a law-abiding citizen have to do with being "superior" to a criminal?
Allow me to explain...

Much of the right wing ideology is about being able to sit in judgement of others. Right wingers judge gays, welfare recipients, those who are imprisoned, immigrants (of all stripes), non-English speakers, drug users, and a whole list of other groups.

They want tougher laws because they could never commit a crime. They are against gay marriage because their bible is obviously the correct one...

Welfare recipients are no-good laggards. If you're in prison, you must be guilty. If you use drugs, you're morally corrupt...

That's the right wing conservative platform. It's all about judgement, without an iota of sympathy, empathy or assistance.

Again, it must feel good to be so superior.
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:46 PM
 
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It's time to quit playing footsies with criminals.

No more slaps on the wrist. No more "rehabilitation" bullcrap.

No discretionary power for judges to reduce sentences. No early release for "good behavior."

Hard time. That's what you get for breaking the law. No counseling. No prayer rugs. Just you and the walls and the bars to sort out your mess.

Harsher sentences for every stripe of felon is what we need. Very harsh. The fear of never seeing freedom again kind of harsh.

Stop funding non-sensical studies on college kids drinking beer and having unprotected sex in Brazil. Use that money to build more prisons. Build them now. And when those fill up. Build more. Eventually one of two things will happen: Criminals will finally get the message, or our streets will be safer and free from the local recidivist with his eye on your property or your loved ones.
NO NO NO! No more prisons are needed. Just legalize drugs and only lock up real criminals who deserve prison. No more violations of our right to possess property. Then you will have plenty of resources to take care of real crimes.
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:49 PM
 
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Allow me to explain...

Much of the right wing ideology is about being able to sit in judgement of others. Right wingers judge gays, welfare recipients, those who are imprisoned, immigrants (of all stripes), non-English speakers, drug users, and a whole list of other groups.

They want tougher laws because they could never commit a crime. They are against gay marriage because their bible is obviously the correct one...

Welfare recipients are no-good laggards. If you're in prison, you must be guilty. If you use drugs, you're morally corrupt...

That's the right wing conservative platform. It's all about judgement, without an iota of sympathy, empathy or assistance.

Again, it must feel good to be so superior.
Ok, does that mean that the left-wing supports crime and criminals because not supporting it would mean that you're right-leaning? What would posses you to hedge your support on something as socially important as crime and punishment in order to not associate with the "other side?" Because that's essentially what you're saying: The right wing prefers to be hard on crime, therefore I simply cannot support that.

If that's not your viewpoint, then clarify.
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