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I agree with you. Unjust imprisonment happens. But that's largely out of control of the populace. And honestly, probably pretty rare. In any case, it's horrible. Are those seemingly rare cases enough for you to declare that prison life is a reason to not incarcerate someone? The probability of getting raped is a reason to slow the pace of imprisoning criminals?
OMG! Clearly you have no background or professional experience in the criminal justice system or the prison system. Yet, folks with no backgroung in that arena amazingly feel that they're got all the answers. LOL
Ok, does that mean that the left-wing supports crime and criminals because not supporting it would mean that you're right-leaning? What would posses you to hedge your support on something as socially important as crime and punishment in order to not associate with the "other side?" Because that's essentially what you're saying: The right wing prefers to be hard on crime, therefore I simply cannot support that.
If that's not your viewpoint, then clarify.
That's obviously not my view point, and nothing I said would support that... You're assumption (or is it more faux logic to vilify the left!?!) that the left wing supports crime and criminals is ridiculous. Can you come up with any thing I wrote in my post that would indicate such?
However, I support a system that focuses on rehabilitation, and doesn't make hard core criminals out of drug addicts (which is why our prisons are overcrowded and why-- per capita-- we imprison more people than any other country), and is compliant with human rights standards that we claim to cherish.
I have no idea how you reached the conclusion that I support crime and criminals because I view the right wing as desirous of judging people who make lifestyle decisions different from their own.
OMG! Clearly you have no background or professional experience in the criminal justice system or the prison system. Yet, folks with no backgroung in that arena amazingly feel that they're got all the answers. LOL
Do you have the answers? If so, lets hear them. That's what the thread is about.
That's obviously not my view point, and nothing I said would support that... You're assumption (or is it more faux logic to vilify the left!?!) that the left wing supports crime and criminals is ridiculous. Can you come up with any thing I wrote in my post that would indicate such?
However, I support a system that focuses on rehabilitation, and doesn't make hard core criminals out of drug addicts (which is why our prisons are overcrowded and why-- per capita-- we imprison more people than any other country), and is compliant with human rights standards that we claim to cherish.
I have no idea how you reached the conclusion that I support crime and criminals because I view the right wing as desirous of judging people who make lifestyle decisions different from their own.
Absolutely. The intent of your post was to suppose that the "right-wing" casts a long shadow of judgement. You are absolutely right. When it comes to judging criminals, we (I) do cast a long shadow. It's called recompence. Do the crime, do the time. Payback to society. That's how it works. So for you to object to that philosophy, you'd have to have an opposing view. Logically, if you decry the right-wing view on crime and punishment, then one can only deduce the opposite is your opinion.
Yea, 1 out of 31 adults just is not enough. We already have the largest prison system/incarceration rate in the world. Costing us $60-$70 billion a year in this recession of ours..
Absolutely. The intent of your post was to suppose that the "right-wing" casts a long shadow of judgement. You are absolutely right. When it comes to judging criminals, we (I) do cast a long shadow. It's called recompence. Do the crime, do the time. Payback to society. That's how it works. So for you to object to that philosophy, you'd have to have an opposing view. Logically, if you decry the right-wing view on crime and punishment, then one can only deduce the opposite.
Yes, I object to the right wing philosophy of judging criminals, gays, non-Christians, immigrants, non-English speakers, Europeans, drug users, welfare recipients and others without any compassion or empathy.
And again, you didn't find anything in my post that said I support criminals and crime. You tried some false logical syllogism, but can't find anything I said that supports the ridiculous claim that I support crime and criminals.
I'm pretty sure most people don't want to be raped in prison.
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Warehousing people is exactly what we need. People fear South American prisons. People fear Chinese prisons. People fear Middle Eastern prisons. Why? Because paying the piper is what prison is all about in those regions. Criminals in the U.S. don't fear prison. They only fear prison when they're about to go there. That needs to change.
Do you have the answers? If so, lets hear them. That's what the thread is about.
Sorry, but I think this thread is about ranting and simplistic views regarding very complex systems......the prison system and the criminal justice system. Clearly you have no idea how much work goes on in those areas to deal with and to find answers to the problems you think can be solved by "building more prisons".........geeezzzz. Simple minded solution. If the solution was simply to build more prisons and enact harsher laws, it would have already been done long ago.
Has anybody told you that cities and states across this country are having huge budget problems?
You might want to do some research and find out what prison guards think about your harsh conditions for inmates. I'm sure you'd be completely stunned. Oh, well, just dream on, about the "new HARSH prisons" you think we should build.
Yes, I object to the right wing philosophy of judging criminals, gays, non-Christians, immigrants, non-English speakers, Europeans, drug users, welfare recipients and others without any compassion or empathy.
And again, you didn't find anything in my post that said I support criminals and crime. You tried some false logical syllogism, but can't find anything I said that supports the ridiculous claim that I support crime and criminals.
This is where you stumble over yourself. You lump the conservative view of dealing with criminals in with other social issues. The problem with that is that you actually agree with us (me) on crime and punishment. As such, its nonsense for you to try to lump your other gripes in with crime and punishment in order to say you don't agree with us. Because that's exactly what you're doing. Anything to conclude that you don't share the same view as a conservative, when its clear as day that you actually do share our view.
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Yet, folks with no backgroung in that arena amazingly feel that they're got all the answers. LOL
