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Old 09-06-2010, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Massatucky
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With separation of church and state being paramount

perhaps a better question would be

"Why is Christianity seemingly bent on blurring the lines between church and state?"

Ideally religion should be a neutral force in state affairs and private and free choice among the governed. Lets do our best to keep it that.
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:29 PM
 
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How is the current Democratic party anti-Christian? Are they shutting down churches? Are they stopping religious private schools from opening? Are they stopping Christian couples from getting married? Are they imposing strict taxing rules on churches? Are they monitoring churches with government spies? Are they closing down Christian bookstores? Are they encouraging secularism? Are they altering scripture to coincide with Democrat Party policies?

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artsy: you would like to think that is the case. Gay supporters? ok, maybe they are, but it's not because they actually like you. psst, it's because they want your vote
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:31 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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The majority of Democrats live conservative life-styles.
The OP is talking about the ultra far left. The ultra left do not hold positions of power. They are not in congress except for Kucinich. They are not leaders at colleges or schools. They are not corporate leaders. Ulta left do not have power over the majority. They are like libertarians.
left + liberal = democrat
teach me something.

If there are 10 people in a boat will all of those 10 people have the same ideals?
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:33 PM
 
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How is the current Democratic party anti-Christian? Are they shutting down churches? Are they stopping religious private schools from opening? Are they stopping Christian couples from getting married? Are they taxing churches? Are they monitoring churches with government spies? Are they closing down Christian bookstores? Are they encouraging secularism?
abortion, pro-homosexual, they are also the ones who criticise any mention of God or prayer whenever they get a chance. and yes, they are encouraging secularism.
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:34 PM
 
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You just said you went to Church every Sunday with your religious father. Church is a conservative and old fashioned custom. You also said your parents enforced traditional family customs. I assume nobody in your family liked to party at gay nightclubs? Strip clubs? Bars? Pubs? They didn't openly enjoy porno? Did anyone in your family speak out against the tradition of religion? Did anyone say "Hmm Jesus could be mythological?" Did your parents bring black, Latino, Asian, and other international people home as friends? Did your parents listen to international music? Did they show neutrality or tolerance towards those who smoke pot or get abortions? Did they have an open mind to heavy metal music or other unconventional genres of music, art, or film? If not then you were a conservative Democrat family.

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left + liberal = democrat
teach me something.

If there are 10 people in a boat will all of those 10 people have the same ideals?
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Hades
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With separation of church and state being paramount

perhaps a better question would be

"Why is Christianity seemingly bent on blurring the lines between church and state?"

Ideally religion should be a neutral force in state affairs and private and free choice among the governed. Lets do our best to keep it that.
Agreed.

Christianity has no place in American politics. Those who invoke religion in their politics deserve unwavering scrutiny- politicians with a "Christian" image inevitably confront a massive FAIL.
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:39 PM
 
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You do realize that outside of your church there are gay people who want to be happy. They want to enjoy their rights too? You do realize that conspiracy against rights is a federal offense and you can serve up to 10 years in prison if you conspire, intimidate, or oppress another of his or her rights. You do realize that freedom of speech is universal. It is not just for Christians. You do realize that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Let's not be ignorant here. Everyone is equal under the law. Church and State are separate entities. We do not live in a Theocracy. The Democrats have not imposed any restrictions on how you believe in your own free time or within the boundaries of your church. I promise you if you go out of your way to harm, intimidate, or oppress gays or people who do not conform to your strict Biblical standards you will personally face some very hard times.

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abortion, pro-homosexual, they are also the ones who criticise any mention of God or prayer whenever they get a chance. and yes, they are encouraging secularism.
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:41 PM
 
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You just said you went to Church every Sunday with your religious father. Church is a conservative and old fashioned custom. You also said your parents enforced traditional family customs. I assume nobody in your family liked to party at gay nightclubs? Strip clubs? Bars? Pubs? They didn't openly enjoy porno? Did anyone in your family speak out against the tradition of religion? Did anyone say "Hmm Jesus could be mythological?" Did your parents bring black, Latino, Asian, and other international people home as friends? Did your parents listen to international music? Did they show neutrality or tolerance towards those who smoke pot or get abortions? Did they have an open mind to heavy metal music or other unconventional genres of music? If not then you were a conservative Democrat family.
nice stereotypes
but whats your point?
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:44 PM
 
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That's true. The statistics show that more Republicans use porno than Democrats. That is funny.

However, my point is that you can't call yourself a liberal Democrat unless you are truly liberal. You have to walk the walk. If you live a lifestyle that is virtually the same as a conservative Republican then what good is it to have different labels? You look like a hypocrite.

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nice stereotypes
but whats your point?
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:48 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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You just said you went to Church every Sunday with your religious father. Church is a conservative and old fashioned custom. You also said your parents enforced traditional family customs. I assume nobody in your family liked to party at gay nightclubs? Strip clubs? Bars? Pubs? They didn't openly enjoy porno? Did anyone in your family speak out against the tradition of religion? Did anyone say "Hmm Jesus could be mythological?" Did your parents bring black, Latino, Asian, and other international people home as friends? Did your parents listen to international music? Did they show neutrality or tolerance towards those who smoke pot or get abortions? Did they have an open mind to heavy metal music or other unconventional genres of music? If not then you were a conservative Democrat family.
So your saying it is the liberal dem that is anti-christian. Can that be backed by an opinion survey?

My father was not saved until after his marriage to mama.
We were like "The Waltons".
I did. Not strip clubs though, those people are just to racy for my taste.
No porn from them and neither from me. If I want to see naked I can look in the mirror unclothed. I don't look bad either, if I don't mind saying so and I don't.
My brother.
We didn't know any to bring home, but I did have classmates and we were color blind.
No pot smoking. I got sent to a Christian school. And guess what I found. ha.
Heavy Metal, the movie. My folks though, country 60s and 70s. Ray Price, is that his name? and more, but I'm having a brain fog to name all the names.

We were raised that way, but we the children didn't turn out that way...so again, put 10 people in a boat and determine, do they all have the same ideals? NO, they don't and they won't.

This is an attempt to have people believe they do thereby discrediting an entire group based on some. And that's just not right. Makes me wonder, what are they up to, really.
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