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So by your logic...back in the day, if a black man dated a white woman and was hung as a result, it was his own fault because he should have known better?
Alrighty then.
It's different because it's likely the Mohammed doodler leans right of center, so they deserve their outcome.
So by your logic...back in the day, if a black man dated a white woman and was hung as a result, it was his own fault because he should have known better?
Alrighty then.
You mistake me for somebody defending Muslims here.
I am simply objecting to fake outrage directed at consequences that were deliberately courted by the people now facing them.
This woman was not facing any threat of Muslim violence. She chose to solicit it. It worked.
She should be celebrating the success of her effort. It accomplished exactly what it appears she intended.
You mistake me for somebody defending Muslims here.
I am simply objecting to fake outrage directed at consequences that were deliberately courted by the people now facing them.
This woman was not facing any threat of Muslim violence. She chose to solicit it. It worked.
She should be celebrating the success of her effort. It accomplished exactly what it appears she intended.
Actually it didn't, and that's what people are missing. Yes, she started it but she quickly realized that it was a much bigger thing than she thought and backed down. And that's perfectly understandable when you have been raised in a society that doesn't kill you for expressing an idea. Unfortunately some nutjobs have decided to make her an example and/or just focused their sick minds upon her and won't let it go. And THAT is unacceptable.
I am not missing that at all. But then again, I am a secular American.
It is just breathtaking to me that (for example) the boards are filled with offended threads about Muslims responding violently to the threatened Qur'an burnings, or that a woman is forced to go into hiding for sponsoring a "Draw Muhammad Day," when the very purpose of the Qur'an burning and drawing of Muhammad was to incite exactly that behavior.
Reality does not frankly give a tinker's dam about the free exchange of ideas. It is unforgiving in it's assignment of consequences.
I'm also secular, and I want to defend the ability of people to criticize and satirize ideas. In America the threat violence shouldn't be allowed chill debate.
Whether that idea be put forth by the KKK, Islam, Christians, or Harvard scientist, it doesn't really matter.
An idea shouldn't get special treatment just because it calls itself a "religion." It still should be intellectually vetted, and rejected, criticized, or even mocked, if it so deserves. Ideas shouldn't be protected by threats of violence.
You mistake me for somebody defending Muslims here.
I am simply objecting to fake outrage directed at consequences that were deliberately courted by the people now facing them.
This woman was not facing any threat of Muslim violence. She chose to solicit it. It worked.
She should be celebrating the success of her effort. It accomplished exactly what it appears she intended.
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You should be lauding her for showing journalistic COURAGE. Instead, she's being excoriated and in effect you are telling her "you should have cowered like we are cowering before our future lords, and then you wouldn't have a problem."
Are you going to pee all over yourself if a Muslim looks at you?
A falling piano is not the same as a doodle on a piece of paper. The laws of gravity can't be changed, but stupid human ideas can. When the world was different, when people were not mingling, people could get away with these ideas. In a globally society it's not going to fly.
Since that was not the analogy I made, your reponse is more than a skosh off target. But lets run with yours now.
To the extent that we are talking about the deeply held religious beliefs of more than a billion people... guess what. It is very much like laws of gravity. We know exactly how a projectile is going to behave when you throw it. In the same way, we know exactly how some number of Muslims are going to behave when we promote "Draw Mohammad Day."
We have learned to accommodate the laws of gravity rather than pretend they could be changed easily (or at all), and in so doing we have achieved space flight and landed men on the moon. We did not accomplish these things by repeatedly jumping head first off tall buildings.
Burning flags is also evokes a serious response, but it is done. Our constitution allows it. Quran burning is similar - not sensible, but is allowed. We cannot have any group pick and tell us which laws we can obey in the US. Their loons need to try and adjust to the present day and age.
Agreed completely. It is an elegant theory that I embrace with enthusiasm.
Now... what tangible use is that to her in her current predicament?
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