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Old 01-20-2011, 02:16 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Oh but it does allow them to make a safety net by the "promote the general welfare" statement.

If we have people going homeless, unable to find work and eat, then that is against the general welfare, and the federal government has the right to enact laws to ensure that general welfare.
That general welfare clause is much debated. Many politicians use it to do just about anything they want. Read more about the general welfare clause. You may find out it is not an umbrella to cover everything you want. At least that is how I see it. If it was meant the same way you are interpreting it then there would be no need to list other areas in the same paragraph of The Constitution, take care.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:22 PM
 
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GOP and Dems are too partisan...

Liberals have a big influence in the Democratic Party, they're economically dangerous..Too bad...
Socially Conservatives have a big influence in the GOP, and they're too backward about gays, immigrants, non-whites..

So, a thirs party would be a good thing : fiscally conservative (low taxes, pro-business, pro-growth) and socially liberal (supporting the gay mariage, accepting more immigrants and their rights..)
Just join the Libertarian Party The Party of Principle
and intelligence I might add

They are the third largest party
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Old 01-20-2011, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Oh but it does allow them to make a safety net by the "promote the general welfare" statement.

If we have people going homeless, unable to find work and eat, then that is against the general welfare, and the federal government has the right to enact laws to ensure that general welfare.
No, it does not. Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the US Constitution grants Congress the power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises" for the purpose of paying "the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States." There is no power to promote the general welfare, only the power to tax for that purpose.

Even the Supreme Court, in US v. Butler, 297 US 1 (1936), has tossed out such silly notions:

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The government concedes that the phrase 'to provide for the general welfare' qualifies the power 'to lay and collect taxes.' The view that the clause grants power to provide for the general welfare, independently of the taxing power, has never been authoritatively accepted.
Congress may only tax for the purpose of providing for the general welfare. Obviously Congress was never given the power to do whatever they please for the general welfare since that would eliminate the need for a US Constitution.
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Old 01-25-2011, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Just join the Libertarian Party The Party of Principle
and intelligence I might add

They are the third largest party
Too extreme about some points
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