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Who do you think put the Neo-Con's in control of the GOP?
Go back and look at the history of the Evangelical's, beginning in the 1970's. They entered into a grass-roots, precinct level campaign to make the party into just what it is today. That the Neo-Con's they put in control haven't yet delivered on the promises is a point of contention.
Begin your study with the teachings of R. J. Rushdoony because that's what underpins both groups. And, don't confuse Evangelicalism with Evangelism. They're not the same thing.
That's exactly my point. The fundamentalists/evangelicals put the neocons in office because they tell you they'll back your stuff, and then they do nothing to support your issues. They aren't going to do it either. My point was that some here think that there's going to be a social conservative revolution in government, and I just don't see it ever happening. The talk may be there, but the legislation isn't, and won't be. They use you to stay in power--the same thing they've done with the tea party during the last round of elections.
No, a FISCAL conservative is someone concerned with the nation's bookeeping. Hence the word "fiscal:"
[SIZE=3]fis·cal[/SIZE] (fskl) adj.1. Of or relating to government expenditures, revenues, and debt 2. Of or relating to finance or finances
What you would be referring to is a Constiutional conservative or a political conservative, or even a social conservative.
Good Lord, there's a lot of misuse of the term "conservative," and especially in regards to the modern incarnation of the Republican Party which isn't conservative in any way, shape or form.
However, it's not surprising that the GOP's supporters, who can't even correctly define conservative themselves, would blissfully accept the lie that their party is, indeed, conservative.
If someone is socially liberal, they cannot be fiscally conservative. A social liberal advocates for social re-engineering, a cradle-to-grave nanny state, and that requires unconstitutional expendatures of taxpayer's money. Anyone who advocates spending taxpayer money on powers never granted the federal government has to be fiscally liberal. Only those who advocate spending taxpayer money on powers specifically granted to the federal government are fiscally conservative.
The only one bringing political parties into this thread is you. Which is very telling indeed.
As liberals have done in 2006 and 2008, when they proclaimed the death of the GOP because they are socially conservative is a misnomer. You are still regurgitating falsehoods written up by HuffPo, DailyKos, and Newsweek (I know because I was a Democrat back then and then I woke up). Yes the issues here are jobs jobs jobs, and when the economy is fixed, then people start to focus on social issues.
The GOP is not irrelevant or dead yet, far from it in fact.
For starters, I'm not a liberal, and out of the sources you cited, I've never read most of them, with the exception of Newsweek. This is what you're missing--the GOP is not synonymous with social conservatism. The neocons aren't social conservatives, and they never have been. In fact, a good number think the social conservatives are hayseeds. They do, however, court that vote to stay in power, and then they do whatever they want when they get there. They just make sure to make it look like those terrible liberals are holding them back, when the truth is, the R's manage (just as much as the Dem's) to set those bills up so they have about zero chance of passing to begin with. Then they blame it on the other side. My point--they use you.
Liberals have a big influence in the Democratic Party, they're economically dangerous..Too bad...
Socially Conservatives have a big influence in the GOP, and they're too backward about gays, immigrants, non-whites..
So, a thirs party would be a good thing : fiscally conservative (low taxes, pro-business, pro-growth) and socially liberal (supporting the gay mariage, accepting more immigrants and their rights..)
If someone is socially liberal, they cannot be fiscally conservative. A social liberal advocates for social re-engineering, a cradle-to-grave nanny state, and that requires unconstitutional expendatures of taxpayer's money. Anyone who advocates spending taxpayer money on powers never granted the federal government has to be fiscally liberal. Only those who advocate spending taxpayer money on powers specifically granted to the federal government are fiscally conservative.
The only one bringing political parties into this thread is you. Which is very telling indeed.
Complete bull. Blue dog democrats are basically republicans, but are socially liberal on things like abortion and gay marriage.
No you shouldn't have a law that prohibits a firearm because of what 'might' happen....
You believe otherwise.
Umm... supporting reasonable controls on a dangerous product is what I believe. I also support airbags and mandatory safety regulations in automobiles ... because of what "might" happen.
I feel like I'm talking to a 15 year old here. Not sure why this isn't getting through. My position is quite centrist.
If someone is socially liberal, they cannot be fiscally conservative. A social liberal advocates for social re-engineering, a cradle-to-grave nanny state, and that requires unconstitutional expendatures of taxpayer's money. Anyone who advocates spending taxpayer money on powers never granted the federal government has to be fiscally liberal. Only those who advocate spending taxpayer money on powers specifically granted to the federal government are fiscally conservative.
The only one bringing political parties into this thread is you. Which is very telling indeed.
I think you have some wires crossed. A social liberal advocates freedom and things like legalized abortion, prostitution, drugs, gun ownership, gambling and gay marriage. In other words, no big government telling people how to live their lives.
A fiscal conservative advocates as little government spending as possible. They support the elimination of price controls, farm subsidies, social security, welfare, medicaid, etc.
The two come together nicely as outlined on the Libertarian Party web site.
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