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No one can take an unusually warm day and state for a fact that it is a result of global warming. Global warming is not that simple. Neither can someone declare that snow on a mountaintop discredits global warming. Again, it's just not that simple. Global warming is a long-term, year by year phenomenon.
I don't think that is point of this venture. The issue is that the loss of snow there was touted as support for AGW, an indicator of global warming. The increasing snow simply conflicts with the position that the loss of snow was conclusive to any means.
The AGW position is built using many circumstantial, localized, and isolated evaluations of the issues and so naturally, the responses to each issue follows suit. A single incident is only significant when the opposing opinion is based on a culmination of single incidents.
WOW...you must be highly educated in the Earth Sciences at the University level....since it's so obvious that some snow on a mountain would disprove Global Warming.
Why was its loss then used to proclaim AGW? You see, you can't use it for support and when that support is shown to be lacking, then go off about how it has no meaning in the issue.
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SO PLEASE list your academic credentials(I have my Bachelor of Science Degree from The Pennsylvania State University in Earth Science/Geography) and then join us in our Science Forum where FACTS...trump PETTY POLITICAL AGENDAS......there you can prove your point with scientific links.....I'll be waiting AND Good LUCK...cause you're gonna need it!!!
Yes, its a common position to ignore the objection and question the one doing the objections. I see this all the time in science... oh wait... that is in climate science and politics. It helps if you answer to the issues here. The issues of the topic were brought up because they are used as support to claim AGW. That makes the current occurrence significant, especially when those "scientists" who objected to the conclusions of the loss of ice stated that they believed the loss was attributed to localized factors and not the conclusions that were made. Counter that, counter the facts of the issue, or... dismiss and try to attack to avoid the glaring holes in the support for your position.
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These are the real SCIENCE LINKS we use in the SCIENCE FORUM>>>>>
You keep talking about science, but you keep hiding behind agencies that 1) refuse to supply their methodlogy, 2) have consistently been shown to have errors in their results compared to raw data, 3) have numerous FOIA requests and court cases against them, 4) have been shown to be biased to a political motive.
We have talked the "science" in multiple threads and you run off when we actually start getting into it and not simply posting appeals to authority.
I love topics like these. When the moonbattery have nothing to say and start to get backed into a corner, they pull out the academic credentials card Most people pushing AGW don't have the proper academic credentials either. The great Inventor of the Internet, King Gore, majored in GOVERNMENT in Harvard. Yet the moonbattery takes what he says as gospel Should we be surprised? No, of course not. After all, for the liberals on here, a talking head with a {D} next to his name is credible because of that {D} tag and nothing else. "That's a Democrat, so he must know what he's talking about!"
You need to be patient...Climate change is NOT a rapid process.
Current Sea Level Rise has occurred at a mean rate of 1.8 mm per year for the past century, and more recently, during the satellite altimetry era of sea level measurement, at rates in the range of 2.9-3.4 ± 0.4-0.6 mm per year from 1993–2010
Records show a persistent decline in Arctic Sea ice over the last 50 years.
Glaciers in the Himalayas are shrinking.
I don't think climate change predicted snowless UK winters..
Do you have any more "hooey" for me to shoot down...You must just make this stuff up....Admit it.
You didn't shoot anything down, just expressed your opinion, which is wrong of course. If you're going to declare something as "truth", mind putting up some evidence?
According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.
Note the date, note the "scientist" (the cabal @ UEA), note the last three record-breaking snowy winters in the UK.
Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000.
IF you thought it was cold in Britain for the time of year, you should see what is happening around the North Pole. Scientists have discovered that the size of the Arctic ice cap has increased sharply to levels not seen since 2001.
I would have thought this last one you would know about - the IPCC doomsayers were taken to task over their report about the glaciers....THAT TURNED OUT TO BE COMPLETELY FALSE.
Although the head of the panel Dr Rajendra Pachauri later admitted the claim was an error gleaned from unchecked research, he maintained that global warming was melting the glaciers at "a rapid rate", threatening floods throughout north India.
The new study by scientists at the Universities of California and Potsdam has found that half of the glaciers in the Karakoram range, in the northwestern Himlaya, are in fact advancing and that global warming is not the deciding factor in whether a glacier survives or melts.
In a new scientific paper, Nils-Axel Morner, former emeritus head of the paleogeophysics and geodynamics department at Stockholm University in Sweden, says that observational records from around the world -- locations like the Maldives, Bangladesh, India, Tuvalu and Vanuatu -- show the sea level isn't rising at all.
Morner's research, revealed Monday at the fourth International Conference on Climate Change, demonstrates that there is no “alarming sea level rise” across the globe, and it says a U.N. report warning of coastal cities being deluged by rising waters from melting polar ice caps “is utterly wrong.”
Oh, this guy is THE pre-eminent scientist on the subject.
What is the current measurement? Is the additional snow lower than in previous years (less snow fall?). How long has this been occurring? Is this seen in other tropical mountainous regions? Is the rate of increase enough to sustain it back to original levels?
In order to conclusively state that the snow fall in Kenya debunks climate change, you would have to provide those stats along with MUCH more.
Perhaps when Hades Freezes over these pitiful muppets will give up their delusional "Flim Flam" job on the good folks in the States !!!
How utterly pitiful these blokes truly are !!!
Ta Mates / Old Sgt. Lamar
What is wrong with trying to protect the environment? I don't understand this weird sentiment against "tree huggers".
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AND Good LUCK...cause you're gonna need it!!!
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Most people pushing AGW don't have the proper academic credentials either. The great Inventor of the Internet, King Gore, majored in GOVERNMENT in Harvard. Yet the moonbattery takes what he says as gospel 
Those Really ... Really Smart Folks Are At It Once Again !!!!!!!!!
