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We provide assistance to people who are poverty stricken because we live - or pretend to - in a CIVILIZED society.
If you don't like the American system, maybe you should move to a place like Somalia where there are no "entitlement" programs like unemployment compensation, social security disability programs, food stamps, etc. You might like it there ... your taxes will be lower!
What is absolutely uncivilized is the poverty-pretenders sitting around in their drunken/drug addled/lazy stupors, expecting every one of their needs to be met with other people's money.
Civilized is paying for your own food, clothing and shelter.
Civilized is paying for your own children.
Civilized is not attacking the very people that don't give enough, because you think they owe you more.
Civilized is expecting people to pull their own weight, and when you peacefully give that opinion, you aren't told to leave your own country because it hasn't become the Left's socialist utopia fast enough.
My taxes would be lower if the government didn't raise them every time they spent more than they took in.
My taxes would be lower if the government didn't take mine to bribe voters in the name of subsidies, grants and exemptions.
My taxes would be lower if the government didn't give financial assistance to foreign countries and foreign companies.
My taxes would be lower if the government stayed out of my freaking business, and let me keep my own money, allowing me to make my own decisions about who I want to assist.
News Flash for Libs: I would donate a LOT of my own money to many different causes, but right now I can't because I'm barely able to put money on my own table, and save for my own retirement.
Really? Here is the reality of the situation. People are not going to stop having sex, even if abortion is banned. Some will abort illegally, some will go on welfare. They also know this: if they have a child, this country will provide......THAT is not going to change. This is not a third world country that will force children to beg in the streets for food, as much as some conservatives would like to see that happen, ya know, to teach the parents a lesson.
You're an idiot if you think removing incentives for an action will not decrease the action. It's basic psychology.
We all know that the Dems will never allow HHS to be defunded to the point we conservatives would like it to be. You can get off your high horse now. We are talking about our ideals.
Including the disabled with no one else to support them? The mentally challenged? Orphaned children? The unemployed looking for jobs when there aren't any jobs to be had? I'm not a big supporter of social programs, but your attitude disturbs me. Paper and ink is not more valuable than human life.
Then my attitude will equally disturb you.
Disabled: SSDI
Mentally challenged: SSDI
Orphaned children: the state takes custody until they can be placed in a foster home or with adoptive parents. This is why I advocate for parents who can't be parents to place their children in the state's custody (or work with a private adoption agency) while the child is still a BABY b/c its chances for being adopted are MUCH greater than when they get older and become "damaged goods" in people's eyes
UE: it's a crock of **** that there "aren't any jobs to be had," you have been spending too much time listening/reading liberal propaganda
As far as that's concerned, why would you NOT be responsible for protecting yourself?
If YOU want to express YOUR sexual freedom, who should pay?
If you can't afford it, don't do it.
Are people REALLY that undisciplined?
They really are that undisciplined, and it's b/c liberals allow it to continue.
Sure, pop 'em out, we'll be here to catch you when you fall. No, don't worry about trying to find a job or work on having a steady relationship, or educating yourself, we'll just take care of your basic necessities for you so you can continue the baby-making factory.
There was one woman at the visitation center I volunteered at who had TEN (count 'em, TEN) kids, all of whom were removed from her custody. The place was a circus when she was there. The oldest was a teenager and the youngest was only a few weeks old. She obviously was not learning any lessons. There was another woman who only had visitation rights with two of her kids, yet she had five, if I recall. She was in a drug treatment program but was not sticking with doing everything she was court-ordered to do, so I bet she ended up losing those children as well.
When there are no consequences to actions, people will continue said actions. Financial consequences seem to be the most important here. They don't care about the little beings they create, they just care about how much money they can get off them.
I honestly think child services should have someone posted at Walmart on a daily basis, you see lots of poor people in there smacking their kids around and cursing at them. It really gets me riled up, and it gets me more mad when I see them pushing their huge cart full of food and general crap to the register, pay with their EBT card for their food and then ring up the rest of the crap and pull out a $50 bill, folded up in a big wad of cash. There is not one time I have been at Walmart that I haven't seen some kind of sketchy situation.
My entire point here is that actions have consequences, at least if you're a conservative and have some morals. The liberals seem not to think this way and it really does perpetuate the problem.
Back to the OP. Those folks pulling out the $50s have obviously not been means tested for whatever welfare they are getting. This is a big problem and I 100% agree with means testing and limiting social programs to a max of 5 years in a lifetime.
Jim Jordan (OH)- Evangelical Christian? Really? Up for reelection 2012. Tea supported.
Tim Scott (SC)- Evangelical Christian? Really? Token black guy in SC is up for re election 2012. Tea installed.
Scott Garrett (NJ)-'Non-denominational/ Evangelical Christian? Really? Birther. Tea supported. Up for re election 2012.
Dan Burton (IN)- "Non-denominational/ Christian primitivism/ Christian Zionist? Really? Redistricted in 1980, he's kept that chair warm since being installed. Lots of inbreeding going on in Indiana it appears. His daughter is on payroll, and his brother takes up another chair in another district installed since 1988. Dan's last election boasted 30% support in primaries. He's is up for re election 2012.
Louie Gohmert (TX)- Southern Baptist? Really? 100% unopposed primaries, no contested democrat or libertarian running against him since he parked there post gerrymandering 2004. Tea supported. Up for reelection 2012.
It's about time!!!!
How can a government possibly budget for something that is basically limitless.
How can you decide to spend some amount on 100,000 welfare recipients when another 100,000 can simply add themselves to the rolls just by having babies?
At some point this crap has got to stop. People are pouring over the border even and heading to maternity units and then getting on these various and many welfare programs. It's insane.
And why are liberals all for birth control, tubal ligations, vasectomies and so on EXCEPT when it comes to their beloved government dependent welfare class?
Not much different than the vast majority of people who believe that it is a person's "God given" right to have as many children as they want, is it?
And then you have the evangelicals {Republican conservatives} who believe that "God" put them on this earth to procreate......it is their DUTY.
Myself........I have NO PROBLEM with employing some sort of forced sterilization when people cannot support the children they already do have. Men and women.
Now, as far as expecting people to refrain from sex. I am realistic enough to realize that people are NEVER going to stop having sex, no matter what. Preaching abstinence is NEVER, EVER going to solve the problem.
Have you ever noticed, in some third world countries, that no matter the fact that children and people are starving.........they still keep having sex and making more babies? As they watch their children with bloated bellies, covered with flies, starving to death.......they still have sex and make more babies. Gee, I wonder why they just don't stop having sex?
I am realistic enough to realize that the only way to attack the problem, is to make contraception as easy and cheap as possible {even free} for that segment of society that does not act responsibly. Yes, we shouldn't have to, but we need to.
I will repeat: It is better to spend a little now {to try and prevent irresponsible people from having children}, than it is to pay a lot later {paying to raise, educate and provide for their children}. It is basic COMMON SENSE.
As I said before, and this is also COMMON SENSE, with rights come responsibilities. If you're not up for the responsibilities, then don't do whatever the right is, in this case, have sex. Your thought process is disgusting.
We provide assistance to people who are poverty stricken because we live - or pretend to - in a CIVILIZED society.
If you don't like the American system, maybe you should move to a place like Somalia where there are no "entitlement" programs like unemployment compensation, social security disability programs, food stamps, etc. You might like it there ... your taxes will be lower!
As a civilized society we should understand basic math.
When taxpayers are limiting family size to what working parents can afford and there are no limits placed on who can join the welfare class, including an open border policy that encourages third world types to come and be paid to lay around and give birth, at some point it cannot go on. At some point the whole thing collapses.
In order to make any kind of budget, spending and expenses must be controlled. Or try letting two rabbits keep reproducing when you have to feed and shelter them and see how long you can keep it up.
As a nation we've become like the cat lady that hordes cats but never gets them neutered and spayed. They keep coming and coming and breeding and breeding.
Mind your manners before you lecture others about responsibility and 'snark'. IF you were properly leading by example and fully embracing your own responsibility no one would be taking issue with you.
This is not an abortion thread. Take your own post and start a new one, I'd be more than happy to attend.
If you're unwilling to do that, here's the sound bite answer legislation pertaining to root causes that for some strange reason is a sacred cow. Vasectomy Costs, Cost of Male Sterilization, Insurance Coverage for Vasectomy
Womans health adversely affected through chemicals, abandoned children & unborn be damned. The sheer volume of hypocrisy, narcissism & willful ignorance knows no limit. When men (do a headcount in your locker room) decide to willfully abandon the concept of honor, how is that the fault of womankind?
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The place was a circus when she was there. The oldest was a teenager and the youngest was only a few weeks old. She obviously was not learning any lessons. There was another woman who only had visitation rights with two of her kids, yet she had five, if I recall. She was in a drug treatment program but was not sticking with doing everything she was court-ordered to do, so I bet she ended up losing those children as well.
Up for reelection 2012. Tea supported. 
