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Something overlooked here is the media's role in focusing on "I got mine". With MTV cribs etc. The media glamorizes all the people that "made it" by the virtue of sex videos "kim kardashian and Paris Hilton" etc instead of earning aliving.
We no longer look at people working at McDonalds or Walmart as having a work ethic (ie the term McJob) instead we call them losers.
The media makes fun of anyone that actually works for a living at a low income job - if you do that, you are a chump. And, unfortunately, sometimes that is all you are qualified for when you first graduate or drop out of Highschool.
The book, "The Dream and The Nightmare" really digs into this change in culture and the acceptance of hardwork. A link to a synopsis of the book:
exce. "
The previous attitudes and mores that helped people get out of poverty were denigrated. Hard work, personal responsibility, getting married, caring for the family and valuing education were the values that sustained the middle class. After the sixties, the new underclass values were taking drugs, having children out of wedlock, avoiding work and dropping out of school. The new underclass, primarily of minority status, remains cut off from the value system necessary for them to exit the underclass. The crowning blow is that the government and most traditional charities are reinforcing the social dysfunction by blaming society and the economy instead of focusing on the attitudes and beliefs necessary to exit out of the situation. "
I'm sure glad that some of you don't realize that the poor and unfortunate are a separate life form than the rest of you. If the poor gets poorer guess who will suffer? The well off will become victims of crimes of opportunity and will have to shelter themselves from everyone else. Poor people are not animals but will do whatever it takes to feed their families.
We give out hundreds of billions of dollars a year to help "feed their families". Has that helped the crime rate? NO.. All it did was give criminals a substainable lifestyle and more time to create more crimes..
There is an interesting thread right now in the General U.S. forum that is comparing U.S. ghettos to third world ghettos, with the general consensus that third world ghettos make U.S. ghettos look like the middle class. But what if, as many conservatives desire, we eliminated or at least drastically reduced welfare programs and public housing, would our ghettos turn into third world slums? Would you be willing to live in a country like that for the sake of reducing spending?
Rather than "reducing spending" it's more about not having enough money.
The revenue is not there to support this. Only 53% of Americans pay Federal Income tax (and don't get it all back). We're at the tipping point of where 1/2 of Americans are paying for themselves and to support someone else.
What happens as more become poor and it becomes 40% of Americans supporting the other 60% ?
Something is wrong with the system where someone can get $43K/year in government child subsidies. That was in an article about the Minn government shutting down and how this one woman with 8 kids wasn't going to get her subsidy check of over $3K/month.
There is an interesting thread right now in the General U.S. forum that is comparing U.S. ghettos to third world ghettos, with the general consensus that third world ghettos make U.S. ghettos look like the middle class. But what if, as many conservatives desire, we eliminated or at least drastically reduced welfare programs and public housing, would our ghettos turn into third world slums? Would you be willing to live in a country like that for the sake of reducing spending?
UNLV09 ... !!! Interesting
Indeed ... As Jones said in the movie "Enter The Dragon" : Ghettos are the same all over the world, "They Stink" !!!
Perhaps the obvious answer is ... YES ! and even with welfare many have turned into 3rd world slums ere in the States !
Something overlooked here is the media's role in focusing on "I got mine". With MTV cribs etc. The media glamorizes all the people that "made it" by the virtue of sex videos "kim kardashian and Paris Hilton" etc instead of earning aliving.
We no longer look at people working at McDonalds or Walmart as having a work ethic (ie the term McJob) instead we call them losers.
The media makes fun of anyone that actually works for a living at a low income job - if you do that, you are a chump. And, unfortunately, sometimes that is all you are qualified for when you first graduate or drop out of Highschool.
The book, "The Dream and The Nightmare" really digs into this change in culture and the acceptance of hardwork. A link to a synopsis of the book:
exce. "
The previous attitudes and mores that helped people get out of poverty were denigrated. Hard work, personal responsibility, getting married, caring for the family and valuing education were the values that sustained the middle class. After the sixties, the new underclass values were taking drugs, having children out of wedlock, avoiding work and dropping out of school. The new underclass, primarily of minority status, remains cut off from the value system necessary for them to exit the underclass. The crowning blow is that the government and most traditional charities are reinforcing the social dysfunction by blaming society and the economy instead of focusing on the attitudes and beliefs necessary to exit out of the situation. "
This is a MAJOR simplification of the problems in Mexico.
It takes an average of 58 days to start a business in Mexico (8 in Singapore, 9 in Turkey). It takes 74 days to register a property in Mexico, 12 in the US. Mexico's corporate income tax rate is 34%, twice as high as China's.
In short, Mexico's business environment and economic policies suck. Also, anyone with any talent is going to run across the border to the US.
Are you really trying to claim that no one living in Mexico has any talent?
Actually the reverse is true. In Mexico if one finishes their education at least through secundaria, delays having children until he has finished the education, found a job and has married, that person stands a very good chance of joining Mexico's growing middle class.
In Mexico however, many people drop out of the schools even in primaria grades, they have children at very young ages, they have baby after baby that they can never afford -- unless they make it over the border to the USA where the welfare programs are plentiful.
Mexico is actually a wealthy nation with an average income well above that of many other nations. We aren't getting the successful running over the border however.
We give out hundreds of billions of dollars a year to help "feed their families". Has that helped the crime rate? NO.. All it did was give criminals a substainable lifestyle and more time to create more crimes..
How do you know that it would not be worst if we stopped feeding their families? Since that scenario has never happened you can't really say that the crime rate will not go up
OK the Right is not trying to stop abortions so stop repeating the liberal uninformed talking points it shows narrow mindedness.............. Tunnel vision and being uninformed. Not wanting tax payer money to pay for abortions is not the same thing.
Apparently you have not been listening to the promises (lies) that the repub candidates are preaching to their low information followers. Why do you think that Trump is leading the polls now.
There is an interesting thread right now in the General U.S. forum that is comparing U.S. ghettos to third world ghettos, with the general consensus that third world ghettos make U.S. ghettos look like the middle class. But what if, as many conservatives desire, we eliminated or at least drastically reduced welfare programs and public housing, would our ghettos turn into third world slums? Would you be willing to live in a country like that for the sake of reducing spending?
Some of them already look like third world countries because that's who is living there.
there are many areas that have been referred to, in the past, as Ghettos. I think many of us are aware of this.
As for people on welfare being there just because of handouts: everyone knows not everyone on welfare chooses to remain on the governmnet dole, but a good number of them do choose to live by asking for handouts.
You talk about greedy corporations, do you have any clue how many of those greedy corporations you refer to give to the community directly or indirectly?
Sure education or lack of the same creates much of the welfare we see today, but this isn't the fault of schools or school districts, this is directly the fault of parents and the home. If you do not instill the importance of an education on your kids, how is this the fault of the teachers?
Nita
Actually there are more people that do not now the actual origin of the word "Ghetto" and the first thing that comes to their minds is a concentrated group of poor people of color living in proverty or close to it.
After years of reading post here I relly do not believe that as well. Mnay of those who have or have never really struggled on a day to day basis, cannot understand what others who do go through. As a former caseworker, I realize that there are some people who were born on welfare and are content on dying on welfare,
I will bet my paycheck that there are more that do than hose who do not, because if they all would contribute just half of the money that that made from the poor or ignorant there would be no slums.
I feel that it would depend on the circumstance. Here is an example: "If school "W" wants to send their french class to France, but needs $85,000 over their budget and the only way to get the funds to do this is to divert the funds going to school "B" whose funds were cut previously by a different school". Whose fault is it that schook "B" falls behind because outdated material?
Example #2. If the mother of three who is working two part-time jobs and since she still cannot afford daycare, the oldest has to play "mommy/daddy" until she gets home, but yet still has to have a time and a place to study and do homework. Do you blame the mother because she put herself in this situation?
I do agree that if we put as much emphasizes on focusing our children's education, as we do watching senseless television this would not be the probelm that it is.
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Answer : YES !
