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If welfare was cut, they would not move out nor improve their position.
You can get welfare in Mexico, but only in the Federal District state in Mexico City, and also for a maximum of 1 year. Also, you will only get it, if you had a job prior for a year and a half.
Look at some of the slums of in Mexico and ask, why are they there? Why do they exist throughout Mexico if there is no welfare?
This is a MAJOR simplification of the problems in Mexico.
It takes an average of 58 days to start a business in Mexico (8 in Singapore, 9 in Turkey). It takes 74 days to register a property in Mexico, 12 in the US. Mexico's corporate income tax rate is 34%, twice as high as China's.
In short, Mexico's business environment and economic policies suck. Also, anyone with any talent is going to run across the border to the US.
I'm sure glad that some of you don't realize that the poor and unfortunate are a separate life form than the rest of you. If the poor gets poorer guess who will suffer? The well off will become victims of crimes of opportunity and will have to shelter themselves from everyone else. Poor people are not animals but will do whatever it takes to feed their families.
The slums in Mexico are due to poor currency evaluations, a lack of jobs, the value of the peso, crime, gams, corruption, a lack of basic utilities like water, overpopulation, lack of quality education, and a LOT of other things not having anything to do with a lack of welfare..
You pretend the slums would disappear if Mexico suddently handed people poverty wages to not work.. They would not.. I've spent months in Mexico, all over the country, and they have a very good work ethic, even those living in the slums, unlike many americans. I've seen their schools, some of them are made out of clay, lacking windows, doors, even chairs and desks.. With poor education you get poverty, not a lack of welfare..
Poor currency evaluations in the US ? Check
Lack of Jobs in the US? Well, with all the stories of 100+ going for the same job, would indicate there are some problems there. Cutting welfare would only make that number grow larger, and with more in the market for a job would push wages down even further.
Value of the dollar continues to drop? Check
We certainly have plenty of corruption in our government? Check
Not so much on crime, but cut welfare and its a given that would increase. People need to survive and will do what they must do.
I'd say were headed Mexico's direction from the looks of things.
We may not have shanties and shoddy buildings like they do in Mexico, but they exist from a by gone era and not because of today's conditions. For example the dilapidated and falling into disrepair buildings in Detroit.
This is a MAJOR simplification of the problems in Mexico.
It takes an average of 58 days to start a business in Mexico (8 in Singapore, 9 in Turkey). It takes 74 days to register a property in Mexico, 12 in the US. Mexico's corporate income tax rate is 34%, twice as high as China's.
In short, Mexico's business environment and economic policies suck. Also, anyone with any talent is going to run across the border to the US.
For the people in the slums, It takes money also to start a business, and 58 days or even 100 does not matter if you have no money to start with.
According to the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency’s Quarterly Report on Bank Trading and Derivatives Activities for the Second Quarter 2010 (most recent), the notional value of derivatives held by U.S. commercial banks is around $223.4 TRILLION.
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Five banks account for 95% of this. Can you guess which five?
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Of course, Bernanke tells the public and Congress that the reason we need low interest rates is to support housing prices. He doesn’t mention that $188 TRILLION of the $223 TRILLION in notional value of derivatives sitting on the Big Banks’ balance sheets is related to interest rates.
Yes, $188 TRILLION. That’s thirteen times the US’ entire GDP, and nearly four times WORLD GDP.
Now, of course, not ALL of this money is “at risk,†since the same derivatives can be traded/spread out dozens of ways by different banks as a means of dispersing risk.
However, given the amount of money at stake, if even 4% of this money is “at risk†and 10% of that 4% goes wrong, you’ve wiped out ALL of the equity at the top five banks.
Put another way, Bank of America (BAC), JP Morgan (JPM), Goldman (GS), and Citibank (C) would CEASE to exist.
Let's not even get started on the amount of welfare that got sent to Central Banks around the world, nor the welfare that gets handed out to countries like Israel and Egypt, nor the welfare we pay for in military costs, so that the financial and economic interests of Big Business and Banks is safe guarded.
I'm sure glad that some of you don't realize that the poor and unfortunate are a separate life form than the rest of you. If the poor gets poorer guess who will suffer? The well off will become victims of crimes of opportunity and will have to shelter themselves from everyone else. Poor people are not animals but will do whatever it takes to feed their families.
I think your assumtion that the poor will always turn to crime intime of disaster or survivalis not proved out by history of such. Sure the poor that are already crimonals will do so but not all the poor.You do assume the poor are all uncivilized compared to others in your statement.
I think your assumtion that the poor will always turn to crime intime of disaster or survivalis not proved out by history of such. Sure the poor that are already crimonals will do so but not all the poor.You do assume the poor are all uncivilized compared to others in your statement.
No, not just the poor but anyone will do things that they normally would not do in order to survive. If they don't they won't live for long. Ask how many women would resort to prostitution so that their children could eat? How many men would rob someone to care for their family? Starvation and desperation makes strange bed fellows. This has absolutely nothing to do with civilization but everything to do with survival
There is an interesting thread right now in the General U.S. forum that is comparing U.S. ghettos to third world ghettos, with the general consensus that third world ghettos make U.S. ghettos look like the middle class. But what if, as many conservatives desire, we eliminated or at least drastically reduced welfare programs and public housing, would our ghettos turn into third world slums? Would you be willing to live in a country like that for the sake of reducing spending?
Actually I think just the opposite would happen...
I've read and studied how certain communities were before or doing reconstruction...and they were quite the thriving places...
I think it would make people smarter, they would be more careful about the decisions they made...which guy they dated or got romantic with.
(it would cut out a lot of reckless baffoonish behavior and trends)
I think it would force women to totally change their sexual habits, if they knew they alone would be responsible for the child.
Women would become much more particiluar over which guy they dated.
Mothers and fathers would be forced to step up, they would have to, knowing that the burden of raising their daughters child would fall on them.
Marriage and family, would suddenly have meaning again...
I think a lot of things would straighton up and become stream line again.
When you remove the saftey net, it forces people to become smarter...either that or perish, like in the wild...
There is an interesting thread right now in the General U.S. forum that is comparing U.S. ghettos to third world ghettos, with the general consensus that third world ghettos make U.S. ghettos look like the middle class. But what if, as many conservatives desire, we eliminated or at least drastically reduced welfare programs and public housing, would our ghettos turn into third world slums? Would you be willing to live in a country like that for the sake of reducing spending?
Only for a short while .. until the people there realized that they needed support themselves.
Really. There are entire families living in single wide trailers and government subsidized housing is usually tight small dwellings for a family. You are right.
We saw exactly what you are talking about when we drove through So Ar into Mississippi a few months ago. There were single wides that appeared to have large families living in them and the structures were falling apart. The same was true in some areas south of Albuquerque when we lived there.
Nita
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