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Old 05-20-2011, 09:56 AM
 
Location: san antonio texas
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Oh, but don't you know, this administration had redefined
the rules

“Well, we would welcome congressional support,” the Secretary said, “but I don’t think that this kind of internationally authorized intervention where we are one of a number of countries participating to enforce a humanitarian mission is the kind of unilateral action that either I or President Obama was speaking of several years ago.” - Hillary Clinton

Libya is a humanitarian effort, it's not war - don't
you know
i didnt know humanitarian missions required killing, tanks and guns. who knew!
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Old 05-20-2011, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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The Truman administration redefined the rule. So did the Reagan, Clinton, and both Bush administrations

Complaining about it now is partisan.
What if you complained about Bush's Iraqi War, does that make it partisan?
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Old 05-20-2011, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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They approved the funding for Iraq, they didn't declare war.
Where is the process spelled out, whereby the congress declares war?

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President Bush knowingly violated and ignored statutes in the Iraq funding bill, and was never called to bear on them by congress. As such, this established a principle that any President can do what they want for whatever they want, if it doesn't engage the entire military.
Funding statutes? Oh my, the inhumanity of it all!

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Thank you Republicans for not caring when it could make a difference, but caring now because your guy isn't in office and everything Obama does is bad, everything Bush did was good.

Thats why its important on whether or not you approved of the last administrations war handling.
Bush asked for, and received authorization to go to war, twice. 0bama did not ask for authorization from the congress, and did not even address the nation before he took it upon himself to decide UNILATERALLY, and rush off to war. Hell, he did not address the nation for days afterwards, he went on a family vacation to Rio.
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Bush asked for, and received authorization to go to war, twice. 0bama did not ask for authorization from the congress, and did not even address the nation before he took it upon himself to decide UNILATERALLY, and rush off to war. Hell, he did not address the nation for days afterwards, he went on a family vacation to Rio.
And with that..he's now saying the same to Syria
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:01 AM
 
Location: san antonio texas
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The Truman administration redefined the rule. So did the Reagan, Clinton, and both Bush administrations

Complaining about it now is partisan.
complaining is how you get things changed, which is something your failed president ran on.

why are you opposed to change when it doesnt suit your agenda?
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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What if you complained about Bush's Iraqi War, does that make it partisan?
Less partisan, guess it depends on how old you were during some of these wars. My grandfather has been complaining about it since Vietnam, so I'd say he is safe of partisan bickering on it.

But the Senators who are complaining, most of the house Republicans that are complaining, and the OP didn't complain under the Bush administration, so it brings into suspect what it is now.

As I said before I want any congress to have to declare war before sending troops to any other country other than our own. But neither party is going to do that.

If the OP had said "I'm tired of administration after administration ignoring the war powers act and not making congress declare war. Why isn't congress calling them to their failings?" Then he wouldn't be partisan.

Instead he just attacked Obama.
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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complaining is how you get things changed, which is something your failed president ran on.

why are you opposed to change when it doesnt suit your agenda?
The poster seems to be addressing war and all Presidents of time passed.
Not one word about what is happening here, today. Not one word.
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The poster seems to be addressing war and all Presidents of time passed.
Not one word about what is happening here, today. Not one word.
One more time

I want all Presidents, and all congresses to have to declare war on a country before we send one US troop to another country. When the war ends, all US troops should be sent home.

Thats the third time I've had to say that.
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:05 AM
 
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Dude, we never declared war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq the first time, Grenada, or Vietnam.
You can add Korea. In fact, if my thinking is correct, the last time the USA officially declared to be in a 'state of war' with another nation was December 1941 (Japan, then Germany).

I had not realized how peaceful a nation we are, on paper.
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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And with that..he's now saying the same to Syria
It's all in keeping with this mindset of his, that he is some sort of fascist dictator, he does not need laws, and certainly does not need to inform the congress or the American people, he is all powerful.
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