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You are attempting to use a successful businessman as an example of a poor business atmosphere. If you cannot see that, then, it is I that cannot help you.
This is very simple. He is an example of a business owner who is not expanding and hiring. His personal financial situation is irrelevant.
So we have come full circle. Success is not enough, huh? If this thread was about a unsuccessful businessman you would have a point. But it ain't.
You want it to be ....
but it ain't.
Jesus christ man. How many times do I have to say this? I'm pointing out that he is NOT HIRING. This is NOT about HIM. This is about UNEMPLOYMENT. If business owners do not HIRE, we will have higher UNEMPLOYMENT.
So he wants a guarantee huh? His 'widget' business could fall flat on its face tomorrow. The fact that his business is looking good for the future is all he should need to hire right now. There are no guarantees. Risk/Reward.
Not the same thing.
The issue here is that government is the problem and is not a factor the business should have to deal with considering we are a free market. The issue is that he is worried that if he hires people, the government could step in at any moment and mandate such to which it would create enormous costs on him. That isn't a factor of a competitive free economy, but an element of intrusion based on the governments part to which should never have to be considered in the first place. A business accepts that the markets are volatile and it may have an effect on it, this goes with the territory, but this is not the case with such government involvement.
It would be like playing poker and you are afraid to bet in the game because the dealer may at any time grab your cards and show them to everyone else.
Lets look at what the guy said .....
My point is (as if you did not know), is that if he wants his business to be MORE successful, he needs to take risks. Plain and simple. Or ... he can just continue being successful.
The market needs to be a free one then and he will gladly accept such a risk, yet it isn't a free market when the government keeps instituting mandates on the business. So why should he take the risk of hiring more people when the government gets to play puppet master with the free market and change the rules as it pleases?
The market needs to be a free one then and he will gladly accept such a risk, yet it isn't a free market when the government keeps instituting mandates on the business. So why should he take the risk of hiring more people when the government gets to play puppet master with the free market and change the rules as it pleases?
Jesus christ man. This is about UNEMPLOYMENT. If business owners do not HIRE, we will have higher UNEMPLOYMENT.
One more time. Are you saying the success of this guys business is dependent on him lowering the unemployment rate? I guess, in your business world, that turning a profit comes in second. Right behind saving the country's economy.
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This is NOT about HIM
Lets ask him if this is not about him. Lets ask him if his business practices are about unemployment or are they about turning a profit ... about his business being successful.
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Originally Posted by Nomander
The market needs to be a free one then and he will gladly accept such a risk, yet it isn't a free market when the government keeps instituting mandates on the business. So why should he take the risk of hiring more people when the government gets to play puppet master with the free market and change the rules as it pleases?
Short answer - He should not take the risk.
And he isn't. He chooses to continue his current successful ways. Is it not enough that this guy is successful? I am truly perplexed why you business gurus cannot see this. In these trying economic times, despite these mandates, this guy is successful. If you define business success as paying your bills and turning a profit this guy is doing just that, despite these mandates. Despite a less than perfect business climate.
And for some unknown reason, that is not enough for you. You want (practically demand) him to be more successful, when he has already made up his mind. He chooses not to expand. He chooses to remain at his current level of success. And it appears that you do not approve.
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One more time. Are you saying the success of this guys business is dependent on him lowering the unemployment rate? I guess, in your business world, that turning a profit comes in second. Right behind saving the country's economy.
I've explained this to you over and over. This is not about him. This is about unemployment being higher because business owners like him are not expanding and hiring.
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Originally Posted by Bulldawgfan
Lets ask him if this is not about him. Lets ask him if his business practices are about unemployment or are they about turning a profit ... about his business being successful.
Obviously they're about being successful. With the current economic state, if he hires that will damage his success. With a better economic state, it will be in his interest to hire, so he will hire.
Seriously man can you step back and look at what I'm saying for 2 seconds? It's very simple.
He is in it for himself. If hiring makes him more successful, he hires. If hiring makes him less successful, he doesn't hire. Now obviously, we want it to be in his best interest to hire, right? Shouldn't the economy be making it as economically attractive to hire as possible, to encourage more hiring???
Short answer - He should not take the risk.
And he isn't. He chooses to continue his current successful ways. Is it not enough that this guy is successful? I am truly perplexed why you business gurus cannot see this. In these trying economic times, despite these mandates, this guy is successful. If you define business success as paying your bills and turning a profit this guy is doing just that, despite these mandates. Despite a less than perfect business climate.
And for some unknown reason, that is not enough for you. You want (practically demand) him to be more successful, when he has already made up his mind. He chooses not to expand. He chooses to remain at his current level of success. And it appears that you do not approve.
Obviously what's holding him back is the uncertainty of the economy, if you'd actually read the article. He is scared to hire new employees, because he doesn't know how much they'll cost tomorrow. So obviously, he is holding back on his expansion because of the rules and regulations.
One more time. Are you saying the success of this guys business is dependent on him lowering the unemployment rate? I guess, in your business world, that turning a profit comes in second. Right behind saving the country's economy.
Lets ask him if this is not about him. Lets ask him if his business practices are about unemployment or are they about turning a profit ... about his business being successful.
Short answer - He should not take the risk.
And he isn't. He chooses to continue his current successful ways. Is it not enough that this guy is successful? I am truly perplexed why you business gurus cannot see this. In these trying economic times, despite these mandates, this guy is successful. If you define business success as paying your bills and turning a profit this guy is doing just that, despite these mandates. Despite a less than perfect business climate.
And for some unknown reason, that is not enough for you. You want (practically demand) him to be more successful, when he has already made up his mind. He chooses not to expand. He chooses to remain at his current level of success. And it appears that you do not approve.
And then IF he become more successful, they call him greedy.
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