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Old 06-25-2011, 12:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Allowing stupid people to vote....
This was definitely the downfall of what the country was intended to be.
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Old 06-25-2011, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Earth
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This has killed more innocent people than all of our wars combined.
Ummm, it's a fetus and it might be human, but it's not a person.
At most, it's a parasite.

And you do understand that abortions existed for thousands of years before Roe v. Wade, right?!
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Old 06-25-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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You need to study your history. Africans practiced slavery long before America was discovered.
Black Africans sold Black Africans to the Europeans.
Whoop dee doo....A few black tribal leaders sold out to the white man and sold their brethren into slavery. Then white men like yourself attempt to rewrite history and make it appear blacks started the slave trade. Does the fact that a miniscule number of tribesmen sold their brothers exonerate the white race for establishing the world wide slave trade and the slave trade in America, specifically?

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Old 06-25-2011, 01:36 PM
 
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Quantitatively, the War on Drugs - otherwise known as the worlds largest kidnapping scheme - has caused more suffering on more people (purportedly over 40 million since 1971), than most other atrocities, in this country, or elsewhere.

The scope of its impact dwarfs slavery, the Civil War, harm caused to Native Americans, etc... If you combined all those atrocities together, not only would they still not total the quantitative impact of the Drug War, but you would have to multiple them all several-fold before it even began to came close to the Drug War. Although, the number of abortions is purported to be in excess of 32 million (since Roe), so depending on how you feel about that, I'd say that's one hell of a big one and makes for a definite runner-up contender.

The Native American figures are debatable and absurdly range anywhere from just a few million [some would even say less] (which is the lowball figure) to 114 million (the highball figure). Neither the lowball which seeks to trivialize, nor the higball figure is taken as being particularly credible. The real figure is most likely somewhere in the millions, between the two.

While you can debate the qualitative nature of it, I don't think the quantitative impact is easily topped (although some who ascribe to more non-mainstream philosophies might point to what they view as even more systemic atrocities, but since there are not many people here in this forum of that type, I'll neglect that point for now).

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Old 06-25-2011, 01:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Whoop dee doo....A few black tribal leaders sold out to the white man and sold their brethren into slavery. Then white men like yourself attempt to rewrite history and make it appear blacks started the slave trade. Does the fact that a miniscule number of tribesmen sold their brothers exonerate the white race for establishing the world wide slave trade and the slave trade in America, specifically?
Every race has suffered under slavery, get over it, get a life, and stop feeling sorrry for your sorry self.
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Old 06-25-2011, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Here
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Every nation has had it's share of committing evil acts against its own citizens. Darfur, Rwanda, German atrocities, Serbia, Pol Pot and the killing fields, etc.,

What will history record as the worst Atrocity on U.S. soil?
If there is no time spand of the atrocity, then I think you have to go with slavery. If you are talking about a single event, then it gets kind of tricky. It might be some mass killing done in a one event, and probably something not within a war, per se. What would that be? Oklahoma City bombing? 9/11? Pearl Harbor? Of course I think there could be an argument that an "atrocity" doesn't necessarily require the loss of life. So I suppose someone could say something like the development of the atomic bomb, something like that.
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Old 06-25-2011, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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September 11, 2001.

Precipitated several wars.
Precipitated the U.S. and world economy taking a nosedive.
Squandered trillions.
Lost productivity.
Unnecessary deaths.
Caused more widespread mistrust of Islam and people of Middle Eastern descent in the U.S.
Caused homegrown terrorism among Muslims.
Provided an excuse for the loss of more and more personal freedom (TSA)
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Old 06-25-2011, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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No order

Atrocities committed vs Native Americans

Slavery

Japanese internment camps
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Old 06-25-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Every race has suffered under slavery, get over it, get a life, and stop feeling sorrry for your sorry self.
Still does not changed or excuse what happened in the US.

What you said is, I stole the money because George, Jim, Jeff, and Ryan also stole the money. The fact remains that you stole the money.
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Old 06-25-2011, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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The Union Army's completely unnecessary, merciless, cold-blooded destruction of the South under General Sherman.

This same William Tecumseh Sherman is distinguished for his declaration: "The only good Indian is a dead Indian."



The South distingusihed itself by kiling thousands of Union prisoners in a muddy hell hole called Andersonville in Georgia. When a few Andersonville escapees made it to Sherman's forces, his troops were so sickened by their condition that they resolved to make the South howl and they redoubbled their effort to make the heart of the Confederacy pay in blood and treasure.
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