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hah. Pull your head out of your ass and then we can talk. We are now going around in circles over and over and over again, when I say "wealth" you respond with "income."
Your head is up your ass. Either way you look at it, the top 1% are paying MORE than what you advocate they pay, "equal to the share."
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Republicans / Conservatives / GOP Hard-liners do NOT want to use WEALTH as a basis for taxation. They want to make everything about INCOME because that screws the middle class.
You must have missed the FACT that the top 1%'s share of the wealth was highest under DEMOCRAT CLINTON and declined under Bush. You have your political parties reversed.
Your head is up your ass. Either way you look at it, the top 1% are paying MORE than what you advocate they pay, "equal to the share."
You must have missed the FACT that the top 1%'s share of the wealth was highest under DEMOCRAT CLINTON and declined under Bush. You have your political parties reversed.
While you make VERY good and valid points, it is best to ignore the leftie loonies. They refuse to see the truth and have learned from birth (or the moment they declared themselves a leftie) to lie, deflect, blame the other side, and then run away when all else fails.
Raising taxes to 100% wont equate to taking their wealth.. You do realize that, right?
The fact that 6M americans can control 98% of what you see, is because that 6M americans took advantage of the opportunities afforded to them while the others sat back and moaned and groaned about what they were "entitled" to..
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wow, realtors get 7% of the sales price of a property while many sellers get zero because they have mortgages. I bet you have no problem with realtors getting compensated for your work, do you, but now you sit here and moan and groan at the 2% who get compensated. Really, whats your point other than to point out that 302,745,538 americans (which is a pathetic figure because it counts children) dont take advantage of the opportunities afforded to them?
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Moan and groan?
You made that up.
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6M americans can control 98% of what you see, because that 6M americans took advantage of the opportunities afforded to them while 302,745,538 Americans sat back and moaned and groaned about what they were "entitled" to..
I find your viewpoint and feelings toward the American people very interesting.
Right, we dont hear lefties moan and groan daily about "the rich", oh wait, this threads yet another one of those.. Maybe you missed this thread.. nope.. you didnt..
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I find your viewpoint and feelings toward the American people very interesting.
You find me posting a fact, "interesting"? Is it not a fact that 2% own x (I used an x because the amount is debatable) amount of assets? YES. Has the other 98% done the same thing as the 2%? NO..Did they start Microsoft, buyup hundreds of companies like Buffet, or rental properties like trump? Do they constantly buy new cars they cant afford, max out their credit cards? Yes..
These arent my "opinion", these are facts. The mass population spends while the 2% invests.. BIG DIFFERENCE.
its almost laughable that those who pay ZERO, say someone else who pays the lion share of the taxes, arent paying enough
I think you need to re-educate yourself, especially considering NAFTA was signed by Clinton
I think that you need to read better, where did I say anything about a particuliar party? I said the RICH! I don't give a damn about which party that they come from. You should remove yourself from the party lies and look at things for what they are. The rich have been making millions/billions of dollars over the last 8-10 years and the economy still took a dive, so what is the point that you are trying to make again? Apparently that train of thought no longer works (and did not work during "voodooeconomics years either) don't you think that it is time to go the other way now? It just makes common sense.
Wal Mart employees how many millions of americans? Its a world wide retail store, so tell me how raising the taxes on these individuals, would equate to more american jobs?
I don't recall saying anything about raising the workers taxes, hell they don't get pay that much in the first place. I'm talking about those who are benefitting from the slave labor in foreign companies producing their goods, I'm talking about the community business that were eliminated after a walmart moved in, I'm talking about the jobs that were forstaken when walmart decided to buy overseas instead of in this country.
I think that you need to read better, where did I say anything about a particuliar party? I said the RICH! I don't give a damn about which party that they come from. You should remove yourself from the party lies and look at things for what they are.
Actually you specifically listed Reagan.
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It is almost laughable that low income people justify giving tax cuts to the rich. It is already proven that Reganomics does not work, but instead they (the rich) managed to get more cuts and benefits from laws and treaties that have been passed (NAFTA) that increase their profits.
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The rich have been making millions/billions of dollars over the last 8-10 years and the economy still took a dive, so what is the point that you are trying to make again?
haha, so your synopsis is, that if the rich make money, the economy is poor? Really? The point I need to make is that you need to study economic business cycles and stop embarassing yourself
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Apparently that train of thought no longer works (and did not work during "voodooeconomics years either) don't you think that it is time to go the other way now? It just makes common sense.
Actually voodoo economics lowered the middle class and raised more out of poverty, by making more people rich, (at that time calculated by incomes over $50K), he substantially boosted the median income in america, and you want it to go away? What conclusion could I come to other than you hate the rich, want to reverse the policies which boosted the median incomes in america, other than you love people being poor?
haha, so your synopsis is, that if the rich make money, the economy is poor? Really? The point I need to make is that you need to study economic business cycles and stop embarassing yourself
Actually voodoo economics lowered the middle class and raised more out of poverty, by making more people rich, (at that time calculated by incomes over $50K), he substantially boosted the median income in america, and you want it to go away? What conclusion could I come to other than you hate the rich, want to reverse the policies which boosted the median incomes in america, other than you love people being poor?
Don't you know..some people will not be happy until we are economically equal...so to these folks it doesn't mater that x % of the population increased their incomes/wealth, if the scoeity as a whole did not...well, then, those evil wealthy and high earners have too much money for their own good...and must have snuckered the rest out of their money through offering jobs and pay that matched their skill and value...
Just as I thought, you cant provide a valid reason why those who pay for almost everything, should "sacrifice"..
Maybe it is time for you to recognize that an extremely imbalanced society in terms of affluence is very dangerous, both economically and socially. No one says that a capitalist system should produce an equality of outcomes, but when things become too distorted - when the top CEO makes 1,000 times the typical worker and the bottom 50% hasn't seen their living standard change much at all since 1970... what do you think will happen?
Not everyone can be a Bill Gates. The lower classes need jobs that can allow them to live. That's how it has always worked; the rich would take the risks and provide the jobs and wealth trickles down to the lower classes. The rich get to keep a lot more since they took the risk, and that's fine. But the lower classes used to also get something.
But now the gap has skyrocketed. The rich are keeping an enormous chunk and the jobs...well, they're mostly gone or they're inferior to what used to be there. So you have a sea of lower class people who are now increasingly dependent on the direct transfer of aid from the top few percent - they are basically enslaved. What else do you expect them to do? Again, only a few are cut out to be a Bill Gates. Before, at least these people could really work and earn a real living. Not anymore.
So when you defend this skyrocketing disparity...what else do you expect? This is a vicious cycle! I'm not saying we should do something as naive as just sucking money out of the rich peoples' pockets into the poor's...this just perpetuates and exacerbates this cycle of disparity. I'm saying that fundamentally, this system has gotten way out of balance. It's not that taxes on the rich need to be raised; it's that jobs and incomes need to somehow come back for the rest of America.
I don't recall saying anything about raising the workers taxes, hell they don't get pay that much in the first place.
I'm not discussing the workers of Wal Mart, I'm discussing the OWNERS. That was the question asked..
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Ok, but what about the owners of walmart
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I'm talking about those who are benefitting from the slave labor in foreign companies producing their goods, I'm talking about the community business that were eliminated after a walmart moved in, I'm talking about the jobs that were forstaken when walmart decided to buy overseas instead of in this country.
Lets again recap what I said..
How will raising taxes on these people, (the owners, just so you dont get confused again), equate to more jobs in america? How will taxing them more, stop them from producing in other countries? We are a WORLD WIDE economy, and libeals need to start thinking like it. We dont live in a bubble.
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