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Old 10-20-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You're completely clueless. Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Obama didn't need to grovel to the Mexican government to push this through because the Mexican government has been the biggest proponent of this agreement right from the beginning. So much so, that they've been threatening us with tariffs on our goods if we didn't comply with the agreement.

Bottom line, we negotiated this agreement as part of a larger trade agreement more than a decade ago, and we stonewalled Mexico in the implementation of the program. Well, we couldn't stonewall it any longer, so we're left with few options.

I don't like the agreement, don't want the agreement, and i don't want to implement it. But stupid trade agreements have consequences. The American trucking companies pushed for a lot of this stuff, even though they're having cold feet now.

As for Obama's "globalist masters," i'll just pay you no mind because you're being silly. When did right wingers start hating economic globalists? Uh...never! Well, at least before Obama became president. You guys have been the biggest cheerleaders of American jobs leaving this country over the last 30 years....you're all the spawn of Ronald Reagan. Anything to see a union worker or a low skilled worker making good wages put out of work is a dream for the right wing....especially if it raises the stock price for shareholders. That's the Republican philosophy....and you know it.

LMAO @ right wingers all of a sudden caring about American jobs.
Mexican trucks could always cross the border but only allowed 50 miles into the US. Now they will truck those illegals all over the USA..
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Old 10-20-2011, 01:25 PM
 
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As an ex trucker and a Canadian I can tell you this, All this same song and dance was daid about Canadian trucks operating in the USA. For those of you who are blaming Obama think again. Does the USA keep agreements or not? This was an agreement made at the time NAFTA was signed. Reagan was the president then I recall. GW Bush accelerated the programme during his years as POTUS. There will be no broken down Mexican trucks running around the country. Not anymore than broken down Canadian trucks. Both of us are under very heavy inspections and statistical analysis of our trucking performance. This also includes drivers. If you are concerned about unsafe trucks then be concerned about American trucks. We would never get across the border with an unsafe truck.

This reciproical trucking agreement works very well between Canada and the USA. There are nearly as many American truck rolling down the road towards Toronto as they pass by my house in Niagara Falls as there is Canadian trucks. As I'm leaving Detriot there are more Canadian trucks heading down the road towards Chicago than American, at least near the border. So this situation works well for us both.

That will just not be the case with Mexico at all. Who in their right mind wants to take loads into Mexico. I can tell you that I just would plain out refuse such a load assignment and I would not take a tractor trailer full of goods anywhere in that country. It's not safe at all. The roads are horrible, law inforcement is completely off the wall. If you got into an accident you could be jailed until the court case, at fault or not.

The problem is going to be therefore, Mexican trucks will roll all over the USA but American trucks will not be rolling in Mexico.
It was Clinton that pushed Nafta through and the unions were very angry.. they knew Clinton gave the unions the shaft and it Nafta did not pass on merit . It
passed when Clinton gave away bridges and favors for votes as he brought in senators and congressmen into his office... Ross Perot was fighting it tooth and nail but to no avail.. Ross Perot knew that jobs would go to Mexico and now we have this big problem of illegals over here.. they are trucked over the border too, hidden in trucks since Nafta came to be.
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Old 10-20-2011, 01:25 PM
 
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Mexican trucks could always cross the border but only allowed 50 miles into the US. Now they will truck those illegals all over the USA..
I know that Mexican trucks had a 50 mile zone to work in. I understand the whole operation of cross border trucking for the most part.

As for the illegals, i'm not really worried about that. That's a flea on the butt of a very large dog. It's the total agreement and the non-reciprocation for American trucks operating in Mexico that i don't like about the agreement.
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Old 10-20-2011, 01:39 PM
 
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I know that Mexican trucks had a 50 mile zone to work in. I understand the whole operation of cross border trucking for the most part.

As for the illegals, i'm not really worried about that. That's a flea on the butt of a very large dog. It's the total agreement and the non-reciprocation for American trucks operating in Mexico that i don't like about the agreement.
Another ten years those anchor babies will have the vote and we will be Meximerica. See SEE..
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Old 10-20-2011, 01:45 PM
 
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I have a feeling that many here believe that this is your average Mexican Truck:
That's how they look 2 miles into America.

after that, they look like this:

http://www.logisticsit.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/4238-truck-empty-1-250.jpg (broken link)
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:25 PM
 
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Another ten years those anchor babies will have the vote and we will be Meximerica. See SEE..
I'm not scared to live in a nation full of Mexicans that can vote. That doesn't bother me at all. Hell, i've lived in this country for 46 years as a black man, and it's been majority white the whole time. Those white folks have a vote too! If i can live with that, why can't i live with a growing Hispanic population?

I'm not a bigot. Makes me no nevermind what the racial composition of this country is.
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:28 PM
 
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I'm not scared to live in a nation full of Mexicans that can vote. That doesn't bother me at all. Hell, i've lived in this country for 46 years as a black man, and it's been majority white the whole time. Those white folks have a vote too! If i can live with that, why can't i live with a growing Hispanic population?

I'm not a bigot. Makes me no nevermind what the racial composition of this country is.
good, then you will love the new bill proposed by congress:

Bill Would Give U.S. Visas to Foreign Home Buyers - WSJ.com

a bill to give visas to anyone buying an expensive american home.

sure, that sucks for the rest of us-by keeping housing prices artificially propped up and making us pay more in property taxes-but hey, it's good for congress!
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:31 PM
 
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good, then you will love the new bill proposed by congress:

Bill Would Give U.S. Visas to Foreign Home Buyers - WSJ.com

a bill to give visas to anyone buying an expensive american home.

sure, that sucks for the rest of us-by keeping housing prices artificially propped up and making us pay more in property taxes-but hey, it's good for congress!
That's another issue entirely. That has nothing to do with the Cross Border Trucking Program.

But still, i'm not a racist, and i don't care about the racial make-up of the country. It's meaningless to me.
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:32 PM
 
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and that is especially important when you want to keep those salaries up there (huffington post):

WASHINGTON -- The nation's capital and the metropolitan area that surrounds it is now the richest in the United States. According to Bloomberg, U.S. Census Bureau figures put average household income in the area at $84,523 in 2010. The national median income comes in roughly $35,000 below that figure. D.C. now boasts higher average incomes than the San Jose metropolitan area in California, home to Silicon Valley's big tech fortunes.

Bloomberg attributes D.C.'s high income levels to federal worker salaries and the concentration of lawyers and lobbyists:

Total compensation for federal workers, including health care and other benefits, last year averaged $126,369, compared with $122,697 in 2009, according to Bloomberg News calculations of Commerce Department data. There were 170,467 federal employees in the District of Columbia as of June. The Washington area includes the District of Columbia, parts of Northern Virginia, eastern Maryland and eastern West Virginia.

With the high levels of income also come high levels of inequality. As The Washington Post reported in December that the District of Columbia has a high Index of Dissimilarity, which is used to measure segregation:
At 74 percent, the District had the fifth-highest segregation level in the nation, and Virginia had one of the lowest, 50 percent. Maryland was in between, with 65 percent.
And as The Huffington Post noted in September, poverty rates are staggeringly high in the nation's capital, with 110,000 residents living below the poverty line. D.C.'s child poverty rate is 30.4 percent, according to Census Bureau information.

it's good to be on top of the pyramid-because you get to make the rules that keep you there.

don't worry about how ALL these things affect the "little guy", because it's not a problem on top.
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:46 PM
 
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and that is especially important when you want to keep those salaries up there (huffington post):

WASHINGTON -- The nation's capital and the metropolitan area that surrounds it is now the richest in the United States. According to Bloomberg, U.S. Census Bureau figures put average household income in the area at $84,523 in 2010. The national median income comes in roughly $35,000 below that figure. D.C. now boasts higher average incomes than the San Jose metropolitan area in California, home to Silicon Valley's big tech fortunes.

Bloomberg attributes D.C.'s high income levels to federal worker salaries and the concentration of lawyers and lobbyists:

Total compensation for federal workers, including health care and other benefits, last year averaged $126,369, compared with $122,697 in 2009, according to Bloomberg News calculations of Commerce Department data. There were 170,467 federal employees in the District of Columbia as of June. The Washington area includes the District of Columbia, parts of Northern Virginia, eastern Maryland and eastern West Virginia.

With the high levels of income also come high levels of inequality. As The Washington Post reported in December that the District of Columbia has a high Index of Dissimilarity, which is used to measure segregation:
At 74 percent, the District had the fifth-highest segregation level in the nation, and Virginia had one of the lowest, 50 percent. Maryland was in between, with 65 percent.
And as The Huffington Post noted in September, poverty rates are staggeringly high in the nation's capital, with 110,000 residents living below the poverty line. D.C.'s child poverty rate is 30.4 percent, according to Census Bureau information.

it's good to be on top of the pyramid-because you get to make the rules that keep you there.

don't worry about how ALL these things affect the "little guy", because it's not a problem on top.
So in short, you're saying that you care about the poor and wealth inequality? This is a major issue for you?
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