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Old 11-06-2011, 09:57 PM
 
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So again, no oath renouncing other allegiances at all.
Yep..lol

Lets repeat...By the Power given to Congress by the Constitution congress can make their own Naturalization laws. They can say now, no more oaths! By virtue of you becoming a U.S. citizen, you would renounce ALL FOREIGN Allegiance by the provisions of the Naturalization ACT.

 
Old 11-06-2011, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Nope, Congress already did it for them. Is it that difficult to understand that?
Yes, it is very difficult to understand.

It is frankly absurd to imagine congress can take an oath for somebody who doesn't even know about it. A bit fascistic, don't you think?

So... I guess we have pretty established that your argument regarding Humphrey's mother and her imaginary oath of renunciation was bullsh*t.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 09:59 PM
 
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Since I was reponding to them, why did you feel this compulsion to leap in?
Because you are way off dude.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 09:59 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Wrong. Tens of millions of Americans are dual citizens at birth, even when both parents are American citizens.
Citizenship at birth is not always automatic. I have no idea why you believe it is. Many, including Italians born outside Italy, HAVE to apply for citizenship and have their application approved before they are actual foreign citizens.
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I slaughtered you in that argument twice.
Legend in your own mind? Dream on, man.

I posted all kinds of links from the Italian Constitution to the Italian Consulates TOTALLY burying you. You suffered humiliating defeat, at least twice. The fact that you're still in denial on that tells us a lot about you.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Yep..lol

Lets repeat...By the Power given to Congress by the Constitution congress can make their own Naturalization laws. They can say now, no more oaths! By virtue of you becoming a U.S. citizen, you would renounce ALL FOREIGN Allegiance by the provisions of the Naturalization ACT.
So.. this earlier post of yours was nonsense then?

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That's one of the failsafe of the citizens parents requirements. Even if your parents are foreign nationals, when they become citizens they must renounce all foreign allegiance under oath. So an NBC is always free from allegiance issues.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Because you are way off dude.
Actually no. They are way off.

You have agreed with my argument against them.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Citizenship at birth is not always automatic.
Not always no. But in many case it is. Such as Italy and Poland... and the United States itself.

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I have no idea why you believe it is. Many, including Italians born outside Italy, HAVE to apply for citizenship and have their application approved before they are actual foreign citizens.
Some do. Many just have to apply to have it recognized. Like Italy. And the US. and the UK.

In the case of Poland, you can get drafted just by showing up at the airport with a Polish surname.

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I posted all kinds of links from the Italian Constitution to the Italian Consulates TOTALLY burying you.
None of them showed an application for citizenship. They instead explicitly were applications for recognition of citizenship. Pretty much identical to the UK's.

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You suffered humiliating defeat, at least twice. The fact that you're still in denial on that tells us a lot about you.
You were destroyed IC. As you have in every thread on this issue through the years. As Orly and every other Birther lawyer has been destroyed in every courtroom they've dared to enter.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 10:07 PM
 
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So.. this earlier post of yours was nonsense then?
No, it is not.

Do you understand, "that's one of the failsafe"?

They gave the Power to congress to create Naturalization laws. It's called LIBERTY imprinted on the Constitution.

What's your point?
 
Old 11-06-2011, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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No, it is not.

Do you understand, "that's one of the failsafe"?
But its not a failsafe at all.

You have admitted that no oaths were taken.

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They gave the Power to congress to create Naturalization laws. It's called LIBERTY imprinted on the Constitution.
But they do not have the power to take oaths for others.

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What's your point?
That your argument regarding Humphrey's mother turned out to be bullsh*t.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 10:13 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Under the Federal Rules of evidence such a document would be hearsay.
Draft Registration is hearsay? Selective Service Registration is hearsay? Since when?

Failure to register can result in five years in Federal prison and/or a $250,000 fine. There are also other civil penalties. Proof of registration is required to obtain Federal aid for college or job training, as well as most Federal jobs. In New York State, as well as many other states, you must consent to be registered in order to obtain a driver's license or learner's permit.
Selective Service System: Registration Information

Meanwhile, it's only a misdemeanor to refuse or willfully neglect to complete the Census questionnaire or answer questions posed by Census takers and a fine of not more than $100 may be imposed. The Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 changed that to not more than $5,000.
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downlo...CT_answers.pdf

Draft Registration doesn't sound like hearsay to me. It carries a MUCH stiffer penalty for violations.
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