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Old 10-26-2011, 12:55 PM
 
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All Rubio has to do is prove that one of his parents was a US citizen when he was born. When does that, all this speculation about his eligibility will end.

 
Old 10-26-2011, 12:57 PM
 
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Anybody who is a citizen of the US is not a foreigner, no matter what other citizenship they may hold.
That's only your "opinion."

Foreign citizenship is the crux of the issue. The NBC clause was intended to prevent foreign influence. Read Jay's letter.
 
Old 10-26-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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What about born a foreign citizen confuses you?
well, the simple fact that not all countries recognize jus sanguinis citizenship. so a child could be born here to a foreign parent and not be a citizen of the parent's homeland.

so by saying that presidential eligibility is dependent upon citizenship laws of foreign countries goes contradictory to the removal of foreign influence.
 
Old 10-26-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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well, the simple fact that not all countries recognize jus sanguinis citizenship. so a child could be born here to a foreign parent and not be a citizen of the parent's homeland.
Not true in Obama's case. He was born a foreign citizen.
 
Old 10-26-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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All Rubio has to do is prove that one of his parents was a US citizen when he was born.
where are you getting that from?
 
Old 10-26-2011, 01:01 PM
 
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Not true in Obama's case. He was born a foreign citizen.
so you're saying presidential eligibility is completely dependent upon a foreign country recognizing jus sanguinis?
 
Old 10-26-2011, 01:09 PM
 
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where are you getting that from?
One parent has to be a citizen. otherwise is it out. Out, out, out....
 
Old 10-26-2011, 01:12 PM
 
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so you're saying presidential eligibility is completely dependent upon a foreign country recognizing jus sanguinis?

yes he's basically saying that. That US citizenship laws are so weak that all it takes is for a foreign country to decide who is eligible in our country to be President of the US.

What prevents a country like Russia, who seems to hate all candidates for our presidential race and finds out that all of them are descendants of Russian immigrants, to pass a law that says that all persons born of Russian Immigrants, are full Russian Citizens, and that their US citizenship status is 2nd to their Russian status, and its retroactive to the year 1600.

that would make millions of Americans suddenly ineligible, because they so happen to have a Russian Immigrant ancestor, according to IC's "world".


Birthers like IC do not realize what they are actually claiming or the "result" of such claims could cause.


Luckily, for the sane of us and 200 years of case law do not support such position.
 
Old 10-26-2011, 01:12 PM
 
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One parent has to be a citizen. otherwise is it out. Out, out, out....
there is nothing in the law stating that ( it's part of what we've been discussing ). if you have a source that says different i'd love to see it.
 
Old 10-26-2011, 01:12 PM
 
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so you're saying presidential eligibility is completely dependent upon a foreign country recognizing jus sanguinis?
I'm saying it's negated by a KNOWN foreign allegiance, which the U.S. State Department most definitely recognizes.
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