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Old 10-25-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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claud, you cling to a belief, the "2 US citizen parent" theory, that requires the 10's of millions of people that have an advanced study of the US constitution to have remained quiet during the 2008 election ( and to have remained quiet to this day ).

does that belief sound sane to you?
It does to me.

As for the group-obey, group-think, mob of individual IQ divided by the number of members, not so much.

Peers are dregs, man.

All of that crony-nepo "sharing", well, it leaves such a fluid mess, man.

Really alive, though, like, primordial slime.

The Constitution's been slimed, man.

 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Again, I've linked to several legal rulings that say born on US Soil = Natural Born Citizen

Don't know how you or anyone can still have doubts about this.

This has been the case in the 200 years of US legal history.
No, it has not been the case for 200 years. For example slaves were not considered citizens until after the civil war.

Born on US soil qualifies for "citizen" status, but I am not sure if it qualifes for "natural born citizen" when both parents are non-citizens.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:39 AM
 
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Obama's mother was a US citizen, so he qualifies. Can say the same about Rubio or Jindal. McCain qualifies although he was born on foreign soil, because his parents were US citizens (although some argue his real father was Panamanian).
He does not qualify, because his father was a British citizen. Both parents, not one parent. It's all about dual allegiance and loyalty to this country alone.
McCain and Obama worked out a deal, tit for tat, because neither was eligible.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:41 AM
 
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No, it has not been the case for 200 years. For example slaves were not considered citizens until after the civil war.

Born on US soil qualifies for "citizen" status, but I am not sure if it qualifes for "natural born citizen" when both parents are non-citizens.
They pretend that naturalized is the same as natural born. It is not!
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:41 AM
 
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Born on US soil qualifies for "citizen" status, but I am not sure if it qualifes for "natural born citizen" when both parents are non-citizens.
US v. wong kim ark answered this one. the parents' citizenship has no affect on a child's US citizenship who was born in this country ( with the exceptions of children of foreign diplomats and members of invading armies ).

the US recognizes only two kinds of citizenship, at birth or thru naturalization. there is no third category of a citizen at birth but not a NBC.

"All of our Presidents have, to date, been born in the 50 states. Notably, President Obama was born in the state of Hawaii, and so is clearly a natural born citizen."

-sandra day o'connor
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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They pretend that naturalized is the same as natural born. It is not!
who claimed that?
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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Rubio was born in the US and is therefore a natural born citizen. His parent's citizenship doesn't matter. If Obama was born in Kenya, he wouldn't be eligible to be president even if both parents had been US citizens. It's about where you were born for presidential eligibility, not to whom you were born..
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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They pretend that naturalized is the same as natural born. It is not!
No, of course not. Natural born is born in US to at least one US citizen parent. In Rubio's case both parents were Cuban.

Does Rubio still have his Cuban citizenship by the way?
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:45 AM
 
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Rubio was born in the US and is therefore a citizen.
Citizen? Sure, but is he NBC? And is he also a Cuban citizen? These are important questions.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:46 AM
 
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McCain and Obama worked out a deal, tit for tat, because neither was eligible.
so how did they get the other tens of millions with an advanced understanding of the US constitution to go along with this deal? free lollipops?


....... and why were you, claud, not raising this issue during the 2008 campaign?
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