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Old 10-25-2011, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Rubio was born in the US and is therefore a natural born citizen. His parent's citizenship doesn't matter. If Obama was born in Kenya, he wouldn't be eligible to be president even if both parents had been US citizens. It's about where you were born for presidential eligibility, not to whom you were born..
Who elected you Supreme Court justice?

 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:50 AM
 
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Who elected you Supreme Court justice?
I can read the Constitution without the Supreme Court's assistance, thank you. Just for general info, Supreme Court Justices are appointed, not elected.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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so how did they get the other tens of millions with an advanced understanding of the US constitution to go along with this deal? free lollipops?


....... and why were you, claud, not raising this issue during the 2008 campaign?
The media and Pentagon operatives like yourself. I also must assume various threats played a part. Can I prove it? No. It just makes more sense than any of the bs we are being fed. Someday that truth will come out from behind the curtain.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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No, it has not been the case for 200 years. For example slaves were not considered citizens until after the civil war.
Actually it has. Seeing as we had to pass amendments to include those that were excluded (women and slaves for instance). But male children, born on US Soil were natural born, and that is the issue.

Where you were born, based on the law current, determined you natural born citizenship.

Women had to be amended to be includes

Slaves were included with the pasasge of the 13th and 14th Amendments.

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Born on US soil qualifies for "citizen" status, but I am not sure if it qualifes for "natural born citizen" when both parents are non-citizens.
There are two and ONLY two types of citizens: Natural Born and Naturalized.

As stated, I've quoted CASES. LEGAL cases that prove the above. Why do you continue to ignore them?
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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He does not qualify, because his father was a British citizen. Both parents, not one parent. It's all about dual allegiance and loyalty to this country alone.
Wrong. and since you've been told that this wrong in all of the birther threads you participate in, you are now knowingly and willfully posting lies.

Why do you lie?

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McCain and Obama worked out a deal, tit for tat, because neither was eligible.
wrong.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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If Obama was born in Kenya, he wouldn't be eligible to be president even if both parents had been US citizens.
in that scenario he would have qualified, same as mccain. it is a myth that US military bases are "US soil" and the year of mccain's birth canal-zone babies were specifically considered "US nationals" and not "US citizens" by congress.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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If Obama was born in Kenya, he wouldn't be eligible to be president even if both parents had been US citizens.
Actually this is wrong. If both his parents were US Citizens and even though born abroad, he'd still be a Natural Born Citizen. the only difference in today's code vs 1961 code, is the requirement of being 5 years in the US as a resident after the age of 14 (and only 1 parent is required to be a US Citizen). Today, its only 1 year requirement.

US law relating to dual citizenship

Section 301 of the INA [8 USC § 1401] defines the following classes of people as having US citizenship from the time of birth:

  • anyone born in the US and subject to its jurisdiction (basically meaning anyone other than a child of foreign government representatives with diplomatic immunity);
  • Indians and other aboriginal people born in the US;
  • anyone born outside the US, if at least one parent is a US citizen and certain residency or physical presence requirements were fulfilled by the citizen parent or parents prior to the child's birth;
  • anyone who is found in the US while under five years of age, whose parents cannot be identified, and who is not shown prior to his or her 21st birthday to have been born outside the US.

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It's about where you were born for presidential eligibility, not to whom you were born..
correct.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 12:06 PM
 
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Wrong. and since you've been told that this wrong in all of the birther threads you participate in, you are now knowingly and willfully posting lies.

Why do you lie?



wrong.
Just because you buy into the propoganda doesn't mean I do. You are the one spewing the lies, thinking if you say it enough, people will believe it's true. There is a little army of you Obots out there working full time. It appears you are winning this game. You got Obama in for one term, let's see if he gets vetted the second time around. The sheeple will probably look the other way again.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 12:07 PM
 
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The media and Pentagon operatives like yourself.
my personal confirmation that you are delusional.

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I also must assume various threats played a part.
tens of millions were quietly threatened !!??!! how is that physically possible? honestly. give me a scenario how this evil entity could threaten tens of millions of people without the rest of the country/world knowing. did they go by people's home? did they send out an email? write a note on the bottom of starbucks cups? what and how could you possibly imagine this going down?


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Can I prove it? No.
good to know.

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It just makes more sense.....
that honestly made sense to you? tens of millions of people were somehow threatened into silence and not a single other person in the US is aware of this intimidation?
 
Old 10-25-2011, 12:09 PM
 
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in that scenario he would have qualified, same as mccain. it is a myth that US military bases are "US soil" and the year of mccain's birth canal-zone babies were specifically considered "US nationals" and not "US citizens" by congress.
If what you say about the Zone not being US territory at the time of his birth is accurate, then you would be correct. He would not be eligible. The only way a person born in Kenya could be eligible would be if they had been born inside the US Embassy compound.
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