IF the United States Supreme Court Rules Obama Is Ineligible To Be POTUS (lawyer, racist)

[Arus]

Originally Posted by pghquest

The Supreme Court never made that distinction.. Stop lying

Yes, they did:

United States v. Wong Kim Ark

They specifically addressed that Wong was born a citizen, since through the Chinese Exclusion Act, no CHINESE could naturalize. Since there are only two (and ONLY 2 ways) to become a citizen in the US, he was found to be a natural born citizen based on the language of the 14th Amendment, by virtue of being born on US Soil.

[Arus]

Originally Posted by pghquest

When you are adopted, you become "legal" children of the parents as if you were born to them.. with all rights and responsibilities as a natural born child.

You become a naturalized citizen with the rights and responsibilities as the same as a natural born. The only thing they cannot be is Vice and President of the United States.

The only difference between a NBC and a Naturalized citizen is hte issue of presidential/vice presidential qualifications. Other than that, even Naturalized citizens can run for Senate or Representative.

[Arus]

Originally Posted by pghquest

The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties.. It CLEARLY says only those subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.

And explained in Wong, that subject to jurisdiction - on US soil. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to deport, arrest or even detain illegal aliens.

It says all individuals born, or naturalized.. this would include those natural born and those not natural born AND subject to the jurisdiction..

there is no such thing as "not natural born" - You're either born a citizen or you become one through naturalization.

That would be like saying all men, but then arguing that women arent included.. You arent seriously going to argue that, are you?

Your analogy fails.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by Arus

Yes, they did:

United States v. Wong Kim Ark

They specifically addressed that Wong was born a citizen, since through the Chinese Exclusion Act, no CHINESE could naturalize. Since there are only two (and ONLY 2 ways) to become a citizen in the US, he was found to be a natural born citizen based on the language of the 14th Amendment, by virtue of being born on US Soil.

Its like talking to my children..

No one said he wasnt a citizen, the question is was he a NATURAL BORN citizen..

[Randomstudent]

Originally Posted by pghquest

The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties.. It CLEARLY says only those subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.

It says all individuals born, or naturalized.. this would include those natural born and those not natural born AND subject to the jurisdiction..

That would be like saying all men, but then arguing that women arent included.. You arent seriously going to argue that, are you?

You don't know what you are talking about.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by Arus

You become a naturalized citizen with the rights and responsibilities as the same as a natural born. The only thing they cannot be is Vice and President of the United States.

The only difference between a NBC and a Naturalized citizen is hte issue of presidential/vice presidential qualifications. Other than that, even Naturalized citizens can run for Senate or Representative.

Thats not true.. When you adopt someone outside the country they automatically become a citizen, retroactive till their birth.

The law was changed in 2000 to not require them to be nationalized

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by Randomstudent

You don't know what you are talking about.

Thats odd because even Obama says its a charter of negative liberties.. are you now telling me Obama doesnt know what he's talking about as well?

[wrecking ball]

Originally Posted by pghquest

.... retroactive till their birth.

link please.

[Randomstudent]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Thats odd because even Obama says its a charter of negative liberties.. are you now telling me Obama doesnt know what he's talking about as well?

No, Obama is not wrong. It's just that you don't understand what Jurisdiction means.

[Arus]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Its like talking to my children..

The only child here has been you. We can explain it 50 different ways and you still won't get it.

No one said he wasnt a citizen, the question is was he a NATURAL BORN citizen..

Which is obvious you never read the decision. It explains clearly that they determined him to be a Natural born citizen and where the term originated and they provided a definition of that.