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Old 12-07-2011, 10:47 AM
 
Location: NC
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My god this thread has officially devolved into the 2nd most pathetic discussion of civil procedure I have seen in this forum.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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since you truly believe this then why haven't you found, or made an attempt to find, a competent constitutional attorney to champion your cause?
Hmmm... Have you not seen all of SCOTUS's refusal to hear citizens' cases due to 'supposed' lack of standing?

As if U.S. citizens don't have a stake in who their national leader is.

Just like we have NO say in the government funneling taxpayer money to the banksters, and now also to Europe.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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How does that change the fact that Obama was born subject to the jurisdiction of the U.K.?
Again... he was not the son of a foreign diplomat or alien Army in hostile occupation. Therefore, according to the Supreme Court, he was born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

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It doesn't, as admitted to by Obama's own campaign.
His campaign has never said he was not born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:52 AM
 
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since you truly believe this then why haven't you found, or made an attempt to find, a competent constitutional attorney to champion your cause?

have you done any action other than post on blogs?
That would be a big mistake because that would involve someone with an actual education on the topic.

What we have here is a bunch of guys standing around drinking beer looking at the space shuttle take off and describing how much better it would be if the reconfigured the rocket distribution and maybe slapped some duct tape on the loose tiles.

They jot down their ideas on a sheet of scrap plywood using a sharpie and walk over to their friends house whom is a nasa aerospace rocket engineer. He quickly points out that the rockets would cartwheel the shuttle to earth in a ball of fire.

They respond by calling him a communist, throwing their beer cans at him and storming off to send chain email about their new design that the government wants to suppress.

I'm not a constitutional legal expert, but I did stay at a holiday inn express.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Hmmm... Have you not seen all of SCOTUS's refusal to hear citizens' cases due to 'supposed' lack of standing?
Standing is the first merit in any civil case.

It really sucks to be a Birther.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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My god this thread has officially devolved into the 2nd most pathetic discussion of civil procedure I have seen in this forum.
Devolved? This thread started out single-celled and circling the drain.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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What we have here is a bunch of guys standing around drinking beer looking at the space shuttle take off and describing how much better it would be if the reconfigured the rocket distribution and maybe slapped some duct tape on the loose tiles.

They jot down their ideas on a sheet of scrap plywood using a sharpie and walk over to their friends house whom is a nasa aerospace rocket engineer. He quickly points out that the rockets would cartwheel the shuttle to earth in a ball of fire.

They respond by calling him a communist, throwing their beer cans at him and storming off to send chain email about their new design that the government wants to suppress.
You've basically described Homer Simpson. And I agree, we're dealing with a pack of Homers here.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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Devolved? This thread started out single-celled and circling the drain.
Absolutely. When people, who I would wager have never set foot in a civil procedure class, start trying to explain jurisdiction not only have we striped it down to the mitochondria, it is down the drain, through the pipes and in the sewer.
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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Again... he was not the son of a foreign diplomat or alien Army in hostile occupation. Therefore, according to the Supreme Court, he was born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
AND the U.K.

Hence the only SCOTUS definition of Constitutional NBC specifically stating the requirement to be born in the U.S. to citizen parents. That eliminates conflicting jurisdictions and allegiances, which was EXACTLY the intent expressed in John Jay's letter to Washington:The Papers of John Jay - View page 1 of 2
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:10 AM
 
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That would be a big mistake because that would involve someone with an actual education on the topic.

What we have here is a bunch of guys standing around drinking beer looking at the space shuttle take off and describing how much better it would be if the reconfigured the rocket distribution and maybe slapped some duct tape on the loose tiles.

They jot down their ideas on a sheet of scrap plywood using a sharpie and walk over to their friends house whom is a nasa aerospace rocket engineer. He quickly points out that the rockets would cartwheel the shuttle to earth in a ball of fire.

They respond by calling him a communist, throwing their beer cans at him and storming off to send chain email about their new design that the government wants to suppress.

I'm not a constitutional legal expert, but I did stay at a holiday inn express.
And yet here you are spewing your completely unsubstantiated opinion, offering NO primary hstorical sources whatsoever to document your 'position.'

Intellectually vapid? Look in the mirror.
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