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Old 02-02-2012, 09:10 PM
 
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Using that logic, you don't have a right to a job. You don't have a right to your house. You don't have a right to any property. You just have a right to suck air (and not necessarily clean air, either), forget about water or food, or being healthy. Except, oh wait...

You do. And so does every other citizen in this country. I suspect that if our fathers who fought in the last world war had had your attitude, we'd all be singing the German equivalent of kumbaya right about now.
You do have a right to these things, but only if you work and can pay for them. If you don't work and have no money, you don't have a right to anything except the air you breath. Where is it written that someone else owes you anything? Only in the mind of a sick person.

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When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work, because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation!
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:46 PM
 
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You do have a right to these things, but only if you work and can pay for them. If you don't work and have no money, you don't have a right to anything except the air you breath. Where is it written that someone else owes you anything? Only in the mind of a sick person.

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What one person receives without working for...another person must work for without receiving.
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When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work, because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation!
So what you are saying is that it is every man for himself, to hell with compassion, to hell with helping one's fellow man. Got it.

In that case, they should disband the entire government, and the rest of society for that matter and let us all go back to the stone age. After all society "implies socialism", right? And we can't have that kind of thing 'round here, can we?

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Old 02-02-2012, 09:50 PM
 
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What Doctors here charge is legal robbery, it sucks that one injury could put you in serious debt(even with health insurance).
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:54 PM
 
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U.S. News - Iconic skier's death points out U.S. health gap

By Kari Huus, msnbc.com
Since the death of Canadian skier Sarah Burke in January, fans and supporters from around the world have donated over $300,000 – more than enough to cover the massive U.S. medical bill generated by efforts to save her.

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Shouldn't she have known that her insurance would only cover her for sponsored events? She must have signed some acknowledgement of this restriction. How is it a gap if a person accepts a health insurance policy with restrictions?
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Out West
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Note that in this MSA, there are 19 full-service hospitals for 3 Million people, or one hospital per 157,894 people. You will not find anything like that in Europe. At most, you'll find 6 full-service hospitals in Paris, France serving 3 Million people or one hospital per 500,000 people, and in Berlin, Germany and Buchresti, Romania, you will find 3 full-service hospitals each serving 3 Million people, or one hospital per 1 Million people, and yet their health care is cheaper, and on a par with health care in the US.
So how do you explain Toronto with a population of 2.5 million and 18 full service hospitals and 6 or 7 specialty hospitals (non-emergency). That is one hospital for 138,888 people.

Toronto is in Ontario, a province that has universal healthcare under OHIP.
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Old 02-03-2012, 03:42 AM
 
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Shouldn't she have known that her insurance would only cover her for sponsored events? She must have signed some acknowledgement of this restriction. How is it a gap if a person accepts a health insurance policy with restrictions?
I would say that most people don't know what their policies cover and more importantly, what they don't cover.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I would say that most people don't know what their policies cover and more importantly, what they don't cover.
Agreed. I would also say that since most ski events are covered by insurance, she may have thought this one was too, and not inquired. I still think Monster Drinks has some 'splainin' to do!
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:23 AM
 
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Agreed. I would also say that since most ski events are covered by insurance, she may have thought this one was too, and not inquired. I still think Monster Drinks has some 'splainin' to do!
Agreed as well.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Some of you need to look up how much all that free healthcare costs in Canada. After paying a higher income tax, they get to pay a nice little VAT tax of about 13%.

I'm an advocate for a single-payer system; I'm also realistic about the cost. Americans want Euro-style healthcare at American tax rates. Can't happen. Us rich guys don't care. I have good insurance and enough resources to cover any gaps. Everyone is not as fortunate.

Canada government pays about 75% of all healthcare costs compared to about 1/3 in the US. Their cost per capita is about $5000US compared to $7500 here. I'm citing from memory so the numbers may have changed slightly. Delays are common for some routine care, but nobody is going to go broke in Canada when they have an ER visit.

Liberals think healthcare is a "right" which should be "free" or provided by the government. When it comes time to pay, however, they defer. I believe we are advanced enough as a nation that we can provide a system that benefits everyone. But everyone will have to pay. Some will pay more, the poorest might pay very little. But everyone has to pay. Simple math.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:51 AM
 
Location: The Wild Wild West
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Some of you need to look up how much all that free healthcare costs in Canada. After paying a higher income tax, they get to pay a nice little VAT tax of about 13%.

I'm an advocate for a single-payer system; I'm also realistic about the cost. Americans want Euro-style healthcare at American tax rates. Can't happen. Us rich guys don't care. I have good insurance and enough resources to cover any gaps. Everyone is not as fortunate.

Canada government pays about 75% of all healthcare costs compared to about 1/3 in the US. Their cost per capita is about $5000US compared to $7500 here. I'm citing from memory so the numbers may have changed slightly. Delays are common for some routine care, but nobody is going to go broke in Canada when they have an ER visit.

Liberals think healthcare is a "right" which should be "free" or provided by the government. When it comes time to pay, however, they defer. I believe we are advanced enough as a nation that we can provide a system that benefits everyone. But everyone will have to pay. Some will pay more, the poorest might pay very little. But everyone has to pay. Simple math.
The US spends more per-person public dollars on healthcare than Canada.
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