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I recall something I learned in school, it is a concept called, "bundle of rights". If I recall correctly the concept ie that an owner only possesses certain rights to a property. Other rights belong to others. No matter how you came to own a piece of land there are other entities that have rights superior to yours. Your deed will list some and some are granted by common law. Where I live I own to the centerline of the public road in front of my home. That ownership does not give me a right to do anything with that road, an easement granted years ago is now part of the land. Read your deed, in the property description everything after, "subject to..." Usually lists the rights you or your predecessors have ceded already.
Your property line goes all the way to the center of the road in your neighborhood? Do I have that right? Why? What is the point in having that? I can agree with what you say to a point. Do I believe that I should have the right to tear my house down and put up a 20 story building that will have a impact on my neighbors? No. In a historic district should there be limits on razing a structure? Maybe.
But to tell pre existing homeowners, that because their neighbors voted for a HD, they have to now be part of it, is in my opinion wrong (outside of Arizona). The second part of what I was saying is preservationists in general. It is not enough for them to create 2-3 historic districts. See that is usually what I and most people think of. Instead they go out of their way to create over 30 of them in a large city. This also pushes many people who wish to buy a house outside of a HD further out.
I recall something I learned in school, it is a concept called, "bundle of rights". If I recall correctly the concept ie that an owner only possesses certain rights to a property. Other rights belong to others. No matter how you came to own a piece of land there are other entities that have rights superior to yours. Your deed will list some and some are granted by common law. Where I live I own to the centerline of the public road in front of my home. That ownership does not give me a right to do anything with that road, an easement granted years ago is now part of the land. Read your deed, in the property description everything after, "subject to..." Usually lists the rights you or your predecessors have ceded already.
What I'm saying is you don't have unconditional right to your home now. Just try building an addition closer to the road, better, do that without a permit... You soon find out what you're rights are.
Exactly, in the deed to our property it says we cant keep hogs.
Theres plenty of feral ones running amuck, so why add to the problem?
In other words, the right of the individual versus the collective - which is socialism!
I agree. To be fair I can understand certain laws. But these preservationists would be better suited in China or N Korea I think. Other then safety or a DIRECT impact on your neighbors people should mind their own business. These people have zero respect for property rights and what individuals want for something they bought and paid for.
Liberty- The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life
That is in Youngstown, in the Wick Park neighborhood. The neighborhood was mostly built between 1895 and 1925.
And that's usually why historic districts are created. To preserve the character of that neighborhood; to prevent someone from coming in and marring it with something like I posted above.
In a historic district, it doesn't matter what you, or anyone else likes, but is about what is historically appropriate for the neighborhood. A historic district probably wouldn't approve bay windows for your house, NOT because some arbitrary group of people didn't like them, but because houses like yours would never have had them when they were built. (not historically appropriate)
In any event, my current house isn't in a historic district. My project house is in one, though. (the Wick Park neighborhood, in fact, but several blocks from my example) But there are no real restrictions on color, or window replacement, or anything like that. Because the neighborhood is distressed, it mostly prevents the city from tearing abandoned houses down, and prevents terrible infill like my above example from happening again.
I just took a little trip to the ICLEI website to see if Youngstown, Oh is part of the membership and sure enough there it was in the USA section of members. Of course, that tells me that Youngstown people have been snowed into believing that SMART GROWTH is the only way to go. That means that they are working their way to government ownership of what is now private property.
Have you studied ICLEI and its parent Agenda 21 at all? If not maybe you need to do so.
Is that something I would like to look at? In my opinion no. Others might though. Like I said earlier "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Show me a picture of your house and I might not like the windows, landscape, color etc. Are you saying I or others should have control to dictate what you do with your own property?
I think many here are trying to push that Smart Growth principle of ICLEI and its parent Agenda 21 and even the real parent group, the UN. Of course, they don't want you do treat your property as you want but in establishing government (local) control of who can build what they are going directly to the thumb of the UN.
I think many here are trying to push that Smart Growth principle of ICLEI and its parent Agenda 21 and even the real parent group, the UN. Of course, they don't want you do treat your property as you want but in establishing government (local) control of who can build what they are going directly to the thumb of the UN.
So you dont have a problem with someone building a strip joint next to an historic church?
Where did the poster say he was remodeling an adobe house? I guess you read words I just don't see. However, picturing what you suggest is rather humorous to think about.
Where did the poster say he was remodeling an adobe house? I guess you read words I just don't see. However, picturing what you suggest is rather humorous to think about.
In other words, the right of the individual versus the collective - which is socialism!
You have very well suggested what is going on here in this discussion. I had to rep you for it.
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