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Old 02-28-2012, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Personally, I'd like to see a lot less government intervention. But people who live in sprawl would scream bloody murder if their roads started to deteriorate, if their post office closed, (etc.) or if their taxes went up to pay for these services they expect.
So you are one of those Smart Growth people who accept what they call socialism? Have you read my offer about ICLEI yet?
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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A while ago I would have called claude nuts...not now though. And I think that if do not see that you are either blind, do not want to see it, are part of those who want it. The government is getting more and more involved in regular people's lives everyday. Banks are allowed to go wild, but we regular people it seems can not live our lives in peace without more and more laws and regulations every year.
Who says I want it?
Why do you think we live out here?
One way in, one way out.
Very easy, tactically speaking, to defend.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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How about you staying on-topic of the thread for once in your life?
Do you really think the National Register of Historic Places is a puppet agency for the UN?
Really?
Did Glenn tell you that?
Still name calling and trying to attack the messenger. I think you are one of Saul's best students.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Still name calling and trying to attack the messenger. I think you are one of Saul's best students.
Please, you ceased to have anything of import to say to me when you sent me those DMS a year ago admonishing me for my stance.
Who do you think you are, the thought police?
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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The Constitution does not provide you with complete dominion over your property. I think you know that.
Yeah, it pretty much does.
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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You know the expression, blind sheep, open your eyes and you can see too. Concede your own liberty, but don't tell others that they should not guard theirs. What do you think 'freedom' means?
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:51 PM
 
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Sorry for the length of this but this is something I have been reading about for a while and something most Americans are asleep at the wheel on. Mel Garbow a Washington land use lawyer said once preservationists "are like butterfly collectors: they don't have any appreciation for butterflies, they just want to have another one for their collection trophy case. You have a small group of politically adroit people who create a kind of city museum by requiring individual owners to make their buildings exhibitioins in this museum." When I originally heard of preservation I thought a few buildings here and there and yes I was in favor of it.

But I am seeing more and more historic districts spread like wildfire around the country where strict regulations are put in place not for the benefit of safety such as a permit to install a new electrical box (to avoid a fire) or to put up a new roof (to avoid it falling on you). Now we are onto how a property is allowed to look. I just find it hard to believe that some Americans are willing to give up more and more of their freedom and stand by silent. My uncle has a 1957 Chevrolet that is valued at over 150,000 dollars. Yet if he wishes to smash the car to pieces he is within his rights to do it.

But when it comes to our castles (our houses) we allow the government and preservationists who do not know their place to dictate aesthetics of our own houses. Some might claim that their neighbors house value effects theirs. My reply to that is that a house is bought to live in and not for a investment. This is in part why we are in the situation we are in. People buying homes as "investments" with the intention to sell them in a few years and make profits even though they could barely afford it.

If someone wishes to put their money in houses as a investment instead of the stock market that is their choice. But don't say your neighbors freedom to do with their house as they wish should be diminished because you made the choice to invest in real estate. I see this getting more and more out of control and some people just sitting back (preservationists call these people "takers" because they just sit back and are easy to win over).

If someone is for preservation they should "preserve" their own house. If they are for preservation and strict laws for a entire neighborhood then buy the whole neighborhood or urge the city to buy it and then you can preserve it. But to somehow say that because you believe a area should be preserved and therefore other homeowners should then be restricted is something out of that of a communist. I am a left leaning man and that is not a term I throw around a lot. The more I learn about the national preservation for historic trust which is funded by the federal government in part, I am seeing more and more they value dictatorship over freedom.
My solution was to move to a house with no homeowner's associations. My neon orange address light is under construction.
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:53 PM
 
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Still name calling and trying to attack the messenger. I think you are one of Saul's best students.
You refer to Saul Alinsky in over half of your posts, and I'm betting that this time last year you didn't even know Saul Alinsky from a NYC deli owner.

What a honk.

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Old 02-28-2012, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Please, you ceased to have anything of import to say to me when you sent me those DMS a year ago admonishing me for my stance.
Who do you think you are, the thought police?
You are seeing your own reflection my dear. You are a pro government activist, which means you are against the sovereignty of the individual. It's that simple.
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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You are seeing your own reflection my dear. You are a pro government activist, which means you are against the sovereignty of the individual. It's that simple.
You dont know a damn thing about me, except that I like animals, so stop acting like you do.
The only activism I engage in is against ignorance.
Such as the post I am quoting right now.

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