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Why? because I'm aware of the (in)justice systen here in the south and I know what it is to be minding my own business and be accosted by people for no reason, or perhaps I see my son going to the store and this happening to him and then being defamed by racist, clueless and the incredibly stupid for no other reason except to justify the killing of an unarmed child
So you are applying societal issues to a specific case? I'm sorry why should George Zimmerman be sacrificed to make up for whatever perceived injustices you feel exist in the South?
You can just read message boards like the one your on and you will read about people claiming that he stole the candy and tea. You know the racist have come in droves.
Trayvon wasn't figthing MMA style or else Zimmerman would have been knocked out with one hit. He probably would have suffered a broken jaw and some other severe injuries other than a broken nose and busted lip. IMO, Trayvon was a teenager fighting like he was scared for his life.
Based upon what has been posted online about the case. I don't know if the 2nd degree murder charge will stick. We don't know if screams where from George or Trayvon. There is no way of proving anything. George did get beat up but not MMA style.
George has an uphill battle with the FBI's hate crime charges. A coworker has come forward reporting George was a bully and made fun of his middle eastern accent and made several racial comments about terrorism. By his Mother being peruvian, that doesn't say too much about his intelegence and his outlook on race. There were Black neighbors on record saying the George was racist.
I have to wait for more evidence to be published before forming a stronger opinion. So far its probably going to manslaughter possible 2nd degree murder.
Great analysis, he will most certainly be charged with a hate crime. You have totally convinced me.
Additionally, I have seen several MMA style fights where men were felled with one punch, so it is totally inconceivable that Trayvon Martin did any damage to Zimmerman in an attack that way (except those pesky medical reports).
Just admit that this fits the anti gun / self defense agenda that you believe in and no evidence that anyone authority discloses will change that fact.
Listen up North Cackalacky, I am not anti-gun. I personally do not like guns but I wouldn't deny other people that right so long as they are mentally stable, do not have a history of domestice violence (as GZ does), are responsible and law abiding (GZ was arrested for assaulting a police officer)
Are you trying to deny that there is even a remote possibility that GZ is lying about self defense because he knows that it will save his butt?
Again, I go back to his apology in court. If someone broke into my home and was trying to rob/harm me and I killed them, I would be damned if I am going to apologize to that person's family if it was truly self defense; I don't care if it the burglar was a 12 year old.
America is my country. Who said he has to have a job? He had to get money to smoke weed or do they give weed out for free now? So you want me to believe angelic Trayvon smoked weed a month ago and hasn't smoked a joint since?
But not it's people. You mentioned it and who said that it was not given to him? Actually it is possible, but truthfully that has no bearance on what happened that night. If you were at least sympathetic to the death of a youngman and did not foster so much hatered to black Americans and the true history of this country you would have some credibilty at least. since you have sided with the injustice and is harping on past use of hemp of a dead child instead of taking into consideration of the shooters past violent history along with thecurrent use of prescription anti-depressionmedications not to mention that there was no toxicology test done on zimmerman that should make you wonder like stevie what the freak is going on. but alas you jumped on the "that ninja's guilty" bandwagon.
No proof he had no addiction to anything? Oh really we have his school record that shows he was caught with a baggie with marijuana residue and now we have his autopsy report that shows weed in his system. Maybe addiction is a strong word, since there is some debate about whether marijuana is addictive let's just say he had a fondness for the herb.
There were cigarettes burns on my shirt the other day and I smelled like cigarette smoke the other day, I guess according to you I'm addicted to cigarettes? Btw, I never smoked cigs in my life
So you are applying societal issues to a specific case? I'm sorry why should George Zimmerman be sacrificed to make up for whatever perceived injustices you feel exist in the South?
So I guess that you feel that he did nothing wrong? He killed an innocent youngman for no reason. When you grow up and see the rest of the country I wonder if you will ever understand what is actually going on around you?
I guess Trayvon's life means nothing to you either
You can just read message boards like the one your on and you will read about people claiming that he stole the candy and tea. You know the racist have come in droves.
I must have missed it but I think it's a ridiculous charge.
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Trayvon wasn't figthing MMA style or else Zimmerman would have been knocked out with one hit. He probably would have suffered a broken jaw and some other severe injuries other than a broken nose and busted lip. IMO, Trayvon was a teenager fighting like he was scared for his life.
Not a big MMA fan but the matches I've seen can go on for rounds. So fighting in the MMA doesn't mean getting knocked out in one punch. Evidently the witness must be a fan of the MMA and thought Trayvon raining blows on Zimmerman was in such a style.
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Based upon what has been posted online about the case. I don't know if the 2nd degree murder charge will stick. We don't know if screams where from George or Trayvon. There is no way of proving anything. George did get beat up but not MMA style.
I don't think it will stick if we're going by the evidence but who knows what will happen?
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George has an uphill battle with the FBI's hate crime charges. A coworker has come forward reporting George was a bully and made fun of his middle eastern accent and made several racial comments about terrorism. By his Mother being peruvian, that doesn't say too much about his intelegence and his outlook on race. There were Black neighbors on record saying the George was racist.
There are also Black neighbors who come to his defense. Frankly this race issue is a bunch of nonsense. That's why I have a big problem with hate crime laws. The government is criminalizing someone's thoughts. If Zimmerman doesn't like Black people so what? The question is was he motivated by race to shoot Trayvon?
While he may have been motivated by race to initially follow Trayvon (frankly I believe other factors in additoin to race played a part in him following Trayvon) it's clear he shot Trayvon because he was being attacked.
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I have to wait for more evidence to be published before forming a stronger opinion. So far its probably going to manslaughter possible 2nd degree murder.
Fair enough. I've reached my opinion based on what's released thus far but I'm open enough to change it if new evidence emerges. When this story first broke, I posted Zimmerman should be charged with murder.
Doesn't look suspicious to me. Clerk doesn't appear to be terribly alarmed either. We can also probably put to bed the moronic notion that the candy and drink were stolen as well.
No look! the cashier is relly nervous because Trayvon has a hoodie on and is black! I guess he is getting ready to rob him! But like you said, if the clerk is not threatened and had a reason(?) to the be alarmed. So what was zimmerman's excuse?
Where is the link to the detective that made that statement? It would appear that there are detectives that are as ignorant as some posters.
Listen to the 911 tape. Zimmerman WAS following Martin at a distance and observing him. We hear him doing so on the 911 tape when he's talking with dispatch, and hear the sounds of his pounding feet and labored breathing. Dispatch asks "are you following him", Zimmerman responds "yes", Dispatch responds "we don't need you to do that". At that suggestion, Zimmerman answers "OK", we hear the sounds of running stop. By all accounts, he did EXACTLY AS TOLD BY DISPATCH and stopped following and observing at that point. He reports "I lost him" and remained on the phone with dispatch for another 1 1/2 minutes. After the call he starts walking back to his rig, somewhere within the next 1 minute, Martin confronts him. It's tragic that Martin didn't simply walk into his house and instead chose to approach, confront and apparently assault Zimmerman.
Thank you for presenting what so many people are ignoring. +1
Your scenario bears no resemblance to the Zimmerman/Martin case. Zimmerman was not fighting Martin off of a woman he was raping. Martin was simply walking down the street. If Zimmerman had stayed in his car and the police showed up, they would not have done anything to Martin accept asking him where he was going. Martin would tell them he was headed to his dad's girlfriend's house, and that would be that. He might also mention that this creepy guy was following him. There would be no reason for the police to do anything else. God only knows what Zimmerman hoped to have happen. Martin wasn't seen breaking into anyone's house. It is not illegal to walk to your dad's girlfriend's house.
Maybe, the cops would find some cause to search Martin's person for marijuana, but they wouldn't find any because he didn't have any on him.
No, he didn't have any on him, because it was IN HIM. He already smoked it as the tox. report shows.
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