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Old 05-18-2012, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I guess if Obama had a son, he'd look like a pothead.

 
Old 05-18-2012, 10:13 AM
 
Location: #
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Originally Posted by summers73 View Post
...and then you'd be shot for getting physical when the confronter wasn't physical. In NC we call that a good shoot.
In the vast majority of America, it would be called homicide, at the very least.

Looking at the gay marriage stance in NC, I suppose it isn't very surprising that NC isn't very much like the rest of America.
 
Old 05-18-2012, 10:15 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Where is the link to the detective that made that statement? It would appear that there are detectives that are as ignorant as some posters.

Listen to the 911 tape. Zimmerman WAS following Martin at a distance and observing him. We hear him doing so on the 911 tape when he's talking with dispatch, and hear the sounds of his pounding feet and labored breathing. Dispatch asks "are you following him", Zimmerman responds "yes", Dispatch responds "we don't need you to do that". At that suggestion, Zimmerman answers "OK", we hear the sounds of running stop. By all accounts, he did EXACTLY AS TOLD BY DISPATCH and stopped following and observing at that point. He reports "I lost him" and remained on the phone with dispatch for another 1 1/2 minutes. After the call he starts walking back to his rig, somewhere within the next 1 minute, Martin confronts him. It's tragic that Martin didn't simply walk into his house and instead chose to approach, confront and apparently assault Zimmerman.
How dumb are some people. All the TM supporters are hanging on every word GZ said in the 911 call, except that he said, OK and stopped following TM. Did you get that people, he said, OK!!!!!!!!

And don't try saying, because he said it, doesn't mean he did it........Because then we can say that anything on the tape that he said, might not have happened including following him in the first place. Get it?
 
Old 05-18-2012, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv View Post
In the vast majority of America, it would be called homicide, at the very least.
Even in ultra liberal NoVA, it's rule of law to stand your ground.

NC is just following the country re: gay marriage, including ultra liberal CA. I don't like it, but that's just the way it is.
 
Old 05-18-2012, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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If Zimmerman is not acquitted how many people will respond the pleas for help from others?

This case will define how neighbors help neighbors in their fight against criminals. Can you imagine yourself during a quiet evening at home when you hear the screams of a woman just outside. You have no idea what is happening but you assume the woman is being attacked. On the way out the door you grab your son's baseball bat for something to defend yourself with. You see the attacker attempting to rape a woman who you recognize as one of your neighbors. You confront the assailant who then attacks you and you swing hitting the assailant squarely in the head killing him instantly. You did good and your neighbor is overjoyed by your heroism. The police write the report and press no charges.
A week later you find yourself arrested for murder with the news media bending and slanting the truth. The assailant was black and this brings out Sharpton and Jackson along with the Black Panthers and other black groups. The Frankenstein mob lights their torches and you wonder why did you even get involved. You saved an innocent woman from being raped and possibly murdered and now you find yourself the target. You become the subject of public scorn losing your job and forced to move your family into hiding.
How many would help others knowing that if the assailant dies they could be tried for murder or manslaughter?
In this day and age, you aren't supposed to become involved and potentially ruin the attacker's fun. What if there was a misunderstanding? The sex could be consensual and they just couldn't wait any longer to get it on. Or they could be acting out a rape fantasy. Intervening in a violent act subjects the "good samaratian" to all kinds of legal ramifications. According to most today, you should simply go inside, remain there and call the police. They will come out and take a statement from you and the victim sometime. Assuming she is still alive of course. But don't dare do the cops job for them in terms of stopping a crime. Oh, and in today's back assward society, the victim is as guilty as the assailant. Look into today's school system where the victim in a fight is punished the same as the one that started it.

/sarcasm. Of couse I'd just shoot the SOB.
 
Old 05-18-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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No look! the cashier is relly nervous because Trayvon has a hoodie on and is black! I guess he is getting ready to rob him! But like you said, if the clerk is not threatened and had a reason(?) to the be alarmed. So what was zimmerman's excuse?
Because they are two different people?
 
Old 05-18-2012, 10:25 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Originally Posted by Ghostrider275452 View Post
Zimmerman refused to go to the hospital (his choice) but did take preliminary treatment at the scene. Which is why he looked so clean on the police surveillance videos, but he did receive follow up treatment with his own doctor. (his choice also) Another thing, had he not shot TM, the head injuries may have been much worse/or killed, thus his reason for shooting TM. Also, why didn't TM stop the attack after punching Z in the nose and disabling him, why did he continue to pummel him, he certainly had the ability to run away?
If you get bashed in the head as hard as he claims, the EMT would be insistant on him getting medical attention since it would have been possible that he may be suffering from a concussion which can kill you. I guess that it never occur to you or others that zimmerman did fight back. Just because he got his butt handed to him does not mean that he did not fight back. He had ample enough time to wash up once he got home and the incompentent police did not keep him long enough to question him or take clothing samples neverless a BAT
 
Old 05-18-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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Very interesting indeed. I'll be curious to see how this all plays out given the extreme media attention this case has garnered from the left.

Unfortunately the left is using this tragic case as a political wedge.

1. they seek to push tighter gun control...to the point where eventually a legal, law abiding American citizen will not be able to legally own one.

2. they continue to push the 'race' issue....more because it ties into the presidential election than any other reason. portraying America as a country full of racists gives them ammunition to attack people for being against obama....as if racism could be the ONLY reason that anyone could possibly be against him.

The left don't really give 2 craps about trayvon martin....they want zimmerman to be the poster boy for racism in America because it suits their political strategies. Period.

They use those idiots sharpton and jackson because they KNOW the black population looks for ANY reason to hate white people...and it just affirms to them that the whites hate them and want to keep them down.....and hell...that gives many blacks an excuse to not try to succeed.
 
Old 05-18-2012, 10:30 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Because they are two different people?
So why would'nt an obvious smaller person alone in a store does not fear him but a grown man with a gun found him "suspicious looking and threatening?
 
Old 05-18-2012, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Golden, CO
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No, he didn't have any on him, because it was IN HIM. He already smoked it as the tox. report shows.
Yes, of course. So, what? You can get charged for possession if you are in possession of it, which he wasn't since he had already smoked it. You can get charged for operating a motor vehicle under the influence, which Martin wasn't as he was walking. So, Martin would not be charged for anything.

The point is, if Zimmerman had stayed in his car and the cops showed up, the cops wouldn't have done anything to Martin, other than question him. Once they realized he had every right to be where he was, that would be the end of the story.
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