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Old 06-10-2012, 10:14 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Pelosi says archdioceses don't represent Catholics in fight over religious rights


She's right. The Archbishops represent Rome, not the "faithful" in the parishes.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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I'd agree but in this case willing employees of that institution have chosen to place themselves into that situation. No one has forced them to do anything.

I think you should consider that in many parts of this nation the only hosiptal in a county is run by a religious organization and it isn't just the Catholics but the Seventh Day Adventists, the Methodists, The Bapitists the Lutherns and the Jews. For for people in these areas medical care is constrained by the religious belif and teaching of the managing religious body! In addition if you want to work in medicine at this level you must confrom your medical practice to the managing churches policy regardless of what you might have been learned in medical school. If you are foolsih enough to think otherwise you won't have a career in medicine or even priveleges in that hospital. The whole idea of choice is not relevant when you have no real alternative!
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:23 PM
 
Location: The Nanny State of MD
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The word (because as we all know, Nancy loves words) is: excommunication.

I mean seriously this woman is sacrilegious. The Pope should have taken care of this hag when she visited him.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Houston
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In addition if you want to work in medicine at this level you must confrom your medical practice to the managing churches policy regardless of what you might have been learned in medical school. If you are foolsih enough to think otherwise you won't have a career in medicine or even priveleges in that hospital. The whole idea of choice is not relevant when you have no real alternative!
Drive your car to another part of the country or buy a bus ticket. Problem solved!
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:38 AM
 
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Birth control is against church teachings, but yet 98% of Catholic women have used, are using or will use, some form of birth control. Maybe Nancy's on to something.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Leader Pelosi, as the media refers to the woman, says that 43 suits about religious freedom don't mean that Catholics are in favor of the suers. I wonder if she really thinks most Catholics are like her. She isn't really a good Catholic as can be seen by these words.

Besides showing her contempt for fellow Catholic, church teachings and freedom of religious conscience, Pelosi is betraying some serious ignorance of her own church.

It would be strange indeed if anyone other than the pope spoke “ex cathedra†for the church. Ex cathedra, which means “from the chair,†is a tenet invoked by the pope only when a position expressed by the Vatican is absolutely non-negotiable in order to be considered a Catholic — the so-called papal infallibility doctrine.


It appears that Nasty Nancy doesn't really understand some of the Latin terms she like to use in her self-defense. She digs the hole deeper and deeper.

Pelosi Says Archdioceses Don't Represent Catholics in Fight Over Religious Rights - Godfather Politics
Pelosi is correct.

Your argument only applies to those (like you) who are governed by your religious leaders on everything, and cannot make decisions on your own.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:45 AM
 
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She's partially right but confused as usual. I know a lot of Catholics and former Catholics that disagree with many things the Catholic church imposes BUT they aren't going to agree with the government sticking their noses into it either.
She's not confused. She's devious. She is trying to make a religious freedom issue into one about contraception and abortion. So whether Catholics agree with the Church's teachings on those issues is completely beside the point. The Church has a right to define its teachings and dogma and to be free from government coercion in that regard. In the face of government intrusion the Church does not represent Catholics (the Church is not a democracy, after all) but rather it represents the official teaching of the magesterium. Is Pelosi implying that the Church is misrepresenting its own teachings in this religious freedom fight?
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:50 AM
 
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Pelosi and her cohorts(Biden, Kennedy,etc) give the Catholic Church a bad name!
Really? Don't you think the church does a good job of giving itself a bad name?
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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She's not confused. She's devious. She is trying to make a religious freedom issue into one about contraception and abortion...
And right along the lines of Barry Goldwater, a liberal/progressive of his time.

"The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'"
- Barry Goldwater, Congressional Record (Sept 16, 1981)

"A lot of so-called conservatives don't know what the word means. They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right."
- Barry Goldwater


Where the heck are such conservatives now, for me to be able to afford at least an ounce of respect for them?
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:19 AM
 
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And right along the lines of Barry Goldwater, a liberal/progressive of his time.

"The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'"
- Barry Goldwater, Congressional Record (Sept 16, 1981)

"A lot of so-called conservatives don't know what the word means. They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right."
- Barry Goldwater


Where the heck are such conservatives now, for me to be able to afford at least an ounce of respect for them?
What's your point? The Catholic church is not forcing anyone to believe anything. It is merely exercising its right not to be made to pay for something it believes is immoral and sinful. Religious liberty. Get it?
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