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Old 06-11-2012, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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What's your point? The Catholic church is not forcing anyone to believe anything. It is merely exercising its right not to be made to pay for something it believes is immoral and sinful. Religious liberty. Get it?
My point being one you brought up, of people's religious freedom. Why should religious leaders present a case for an individual's freedoms, complete with threats? We must disagree on the premise of freedoms based on individualism (mine) versus collectivism (yours).

Vatican Reprimands US Nuns

Freedoms, my foot. Hence the quote...

"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?"
- Barry Goldwater
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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My point being one you brought up, of people's religious freedom. Why should religious leaders present a case for an individual's freedoms, complete with threats? We must disagree on the premise of freedoms based on individualism (mine) versus collectivism (yours).

Vatican Reprimands US Nuns

Freedoms, my foot. Hence the quote...

"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?"
- Barry Goldwater

Why don't folks who don't believe in the doctrines/beliefs of the Catholic church.............find a church/religion more suited to their selective beliefs ?

That goes for both Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi .
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Why don't folks who don't believe in the doctrines/beliefs of the Catholic church.............find a church/religion more suited to their selective beliefs ?

That goes for both Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi .
Won't that put pretty much every catholic out of Catholicism, and the majority of those left would be their leaders?

Now, if you want to worship religious leaders and dance to their whims, continue doing so. Do not expect the rest of us to have an ounce of respect for you playing political games with it, however.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:36 AM
 
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Won't that put pretty much every catholic out of Catholicism, and the majority of those left would be their leaders?

Now, if you want to worship religious leaders and dance to their whims, continue doing so. Do not expect the rest of us to have an ounce of respect for you playing political games with it, however.
Find a religion that suits your beliefs and quit whining !

Simple !
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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Find a religion that suits your beliefs and quit whining !

Simple !
Whining? Why the heck do we have this thread, and you arguing for it, if you have found your religion? (And trust me, I know what that is).
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:39 AM
 
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The Catholic Church never was meant to be a democracy.

We don't get to elect the pope, select our own parish priests, or vote on gay marriage or abortion.

Can't accept that ?

Find a different church/religion !
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:40 AM
 
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The Catholic Church never was meant to be a democracy.

We don't get to elect the pope, select our own parish priests, or vote on gay marriage or abortion.

Can't accept that ?

Find a different church/religion !
I know, but keep your church at home and out of politics and you will not have to deal with this. That is the point that ought to get thru.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:45 AM
 
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I know, but keep your church at home and out of politics and you will not have to deal with this. That is the point that ought to get thru.
Keep Obama out of the church's business.

He will lose out on his directive.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:48 AM
 
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Keep Obama out of the church's business.

He will lose out on his directive.
He might. Or, he may not. People are individuals. Not everybody wants to dance at the whims of religious leaders like you do. If churches don't want government influence, they should get out of "business" of doing anything but exercising RELIGION.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:53 AM
 
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Pelosi is for Pelosi. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a disconnected boob.
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