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Your representations of the 1994 Agreed Framework and of subsequent related events as between the US and the DPRK are shockingly distorted. This is the sort of thing I would expect to see on NewsMax or some other such node on the right-wing disinformation media network...
You're the one that's distorted. The end result is N. Korea duped an incompetent administration and the next administration had to clean up the mess.
Yeah , perhaps a tough "rational" voice would have been a better choice of words! why is it libs always want to go after the spouse and children of those they disagree with hmmm?
Your lib slam is unwarranted. Please read how often conservatives attack the families of people they don't like. Then get back to me. It happens from both sides.
Why do (mostly) conservatives rant about "nutcases" in other countries calling for the death or removal of "X" and yet don't use that same common sense when one of their own does the same thing? That was my point. Bolton is such a madman.
There is no 'tough' voice of reason because tough isn't reasonable!
In another thread recently, someone wrote that they liked the idea of 'speak softly and carry a big stick' as a form of diplomacy. In Teddy Roosevelt's day, it may have been practical, but it's utterly foolish. This form of diplomacy is nothing but intimidation. Human behavior doesn't respond to intimidation without a fight. Anyone who has to use intimidation is actually showing how weak they are, for if they were actually strong, they wouldn't need the stick! Mr. Bolton may speak fighting words that some agree with, but where will he be when the battle begins? How many will his call to action put to death? No one has a right to call for the dismissal of a freely elected leader in a foreign country.
Oh, so NOW France is an acceptable gauge of of international political situations...pretty convenient
Sorry, you don't get to use France in this argument, your talking heads (Hannity, O'Reilly) forefeited that right when they went ballistic at the time of the Iraq War...
Could it be that France was somehow correct in opposing the attack on a country that was no threat to anyone except itself; because they saw that when a more credible threat arose, the world would be less apt to act quickly beacuse of Iraq?
Or are you going to blame France's refusal to act against Saddam on them having financial ties to Saddam? Go ahead, try that argument....I have 6words for you:
Saudi Arabia and the United States
Yes, sorry, roll eyes, I may use France in this argument, and I will. It goes like this: France was totally against us with Iraq, but now they are totally with us on Iran. They have had a regime change. Their out of date, liberal, pro UN, wimp of a President Jacques Chirac and his foreign minister Dominique de Villepin are gone. The citizens of France have since voted in the more conservative Sarkozy and his foreign minister Kouchner, who have said that they will not live with a nuclear Iran. (Thank God for men with backbones, who also happen to be world leaders.)
Thankfully for the world, France has had a regime change. Those now in office are able to discern that we have great problems in the Middle East that will not go away with our digging our heads in the sand.
I have a few words for you: No decent, legitimate nation in the world will be against us if we go after Iran to keep them from developing nukes.
PS: I listen to neither Hannity nor O"Reilly. Put away that leftist stand by of the "right wing talking points" because it does not apply to me.
Thankfully for the world, France has had a regime change. Those now in office are able to discern that we have great problems in the Middle East that will not go away with our digging our heads in the sand.
Thankfully for the United States and the world, we in the United States are about to have a regime change and not a moment too soon!
Funny, most of those problems in the Middle East that are of our making won't go away if we stick our heads in the sand nor will they go away with further military engagement. At some point the United States personnel have to return HOME to the United States, those in the Middle East actually live there and will continue to carry on as they will whether we are there or not.
Continual poking of the bees nest with a stick will accomplish what? The alternative is to what... kill ALL the bees for doing what exactly to the United States?
Damn those Arabs for living on top our oil and not throwing flowers at us when we saved them, well those that are still alive that is.
Your lib slam is unwarranted. Please read how often conservatives attack the families of people they don't like. Then get back to me. It happens from both sides.
Why do (mostly) conservatives rant about "nutcases" in other countries calling for the death or removal of "X" and yet don't use that same common sense when one of their own does the same thing? That was my point. Bolton is such a madman.
There is no 'tough' voice of reason because tough isn't reasonable!
In another thread recently, someone wrote that they liked the idea of 'speak softly and carry a big stick' as a form of diplomacy. In Teddy Roosevelt's day, it may have been practical, but it's utterly foolish. This form of diplomacy is nothing but intimidation. Human behavior doesn't respond to intimidation without a fight. Anyone who has to use intimidation is actually showing how weak they are, for if they were actually strong, they wouldn't need the stick! Mr. Bolton may speak fighting words that some agree with, but where will he be when the battle begins? How many will his call to action put to death? No one has a right to call for the dismissal of a freely elected leader in a foreign country.
We only wish your mentality was the mentality of our adversaries!
I have to really choose my words because I know you are of the sensitive type, so I will try not to offend. Fortunately intimidation does work! When some scumbag punk comes up to me and my family and threatens to do harm, & I stick my desert eagle in his face, thats pretty damn intimidating, and they will step off in a hurry, "UNLESS" they dont believe I have the stomach to pull the trigger! PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH , mhouse , your feel good, live & let live, america is no better than anybody else, happy, happy kumbaya, cant we all just get along, nonsense is the very reason we are dangerously close to more conflicts and Iran has no qualms about keeping the pot stirred in Iraq. They are banking on the US not having the stomach to pull the trigger! Like I said if only are adversaries thought the way you do!
Thankfully for the United States and the world, we in the United States are about to have a regime change and not a moment too soon!
Funny, most of those problems in the Middle East that are of our making won't go away if we stick our heads in the sand nor will they go away with further military engagement. At some point the United States personnel have to return HOME to the United States, those in the Middle East actually live there and will continue to carry on as they will whether we are there or not.
Continual poking of the bees nest with a stick will accomplish what? The alternative is to what... kill ALL the bees for doing what exactly to the United States?
Damn those Arabs for living on top our oil and not throwing flowers at us when we saved them, well those that are still alive that is.
Agreed, we are going to have a regime change in '08. The question for you is, would you prefer Hillary (who undoubtedly the dem nominee will be) or a republican? It will be one or the other. Under which change do you believe the US would be safer?
Yes, also agreed, the problems in the Middle East will not go away. It is for this reason that the US needs to assert our might in order to divert insane dictators like Ahmadininejad from believing we will simply roll over and play dead (as the UN would like for us to do).
Would that we could just easily come home and pretend that radical islam is not a threat to the US. I wish 9/11 never happened. But it did... and the ones who attacked us were all Middle Eastern men with an agenda to destroy America, as well as Americans.
Prior to 9/11, I was more of an isolationist. But now.... we need to get them before they get us, plain and simply.
That is why France is even on board with us in saying that we cannot tolerate a nuclear Iran.
That's a jokeWhat the hell is France going to do to help America if they do invade Iran, oh I know shoot them with some pate de foie gras (that'll blind the Iranian army for sure)
We only wish your mentality was the mentality of our adversaries!
I have to really choose my words because I know you are of the sensitive type, so I will try not to offend. Fortunately intimidation does work! When some scumbag punk comes up to me and my family and threatens to do harm, & I stick my desert eagle in his face, thats pretty damn intimidating, and they will step off in a hurry, "UNLESS" they dont believe I have the stomach to pull the trigger! PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH , mhouse , your feel good, live & let live, america is no better than anybody else, happy, happy kumbaya, cant we all just get along, nonsense is the very reason we are dangerously close to more conflicts and Iran has no qualms about keeping the pot stirred in Iraq. They are banking on the US not having the stomach to pull the trigger! Like I said if only are adversaries thought the way you do!
I am totally with you silas. Asserting our might will send the message to all of the world: We are a force to be reckoned with. Enough with the pansy Clintonesque sell our defense secrets to the world nonsense. Let us make it plain and simple for the world to understand: Do not mess with America!
PS: Where are the guts of our men in America these days? I guess that's a whole other thread I'll post someday.
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