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Old 08-07-2012, 02:27 PM
 
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Like the idiots who just landed a rover on Mars with pinpoint accuracy? Or the idiots who were almost certainly involved in creating the software, hardware, and networks on which you created and uploaded your message? Are those the idiots you're talking about?
no not those idiots. I like those idiots. Its the idiots that shut down a group from building a building on their own property because someone found a salamander on the land.

I could go on but that right there pretty much sums it up for me. (that really happened. I know the people involved)
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:50 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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no not those idiots. I like those idiots. Its the idiots that shut down a group from building a building on their own property because someone found a salamander on the land.

I could go on but that right there pretty much sums it up for me. (that really happened. I know the people involved)
Well, if you think CA is more accurately represented by the salamander-loving idiots than by the JPL/Silicon Valley idiots, you're free to do so, but I'm not sure they accurately reflect the entirety of California.

Besides, some of these JPL/SV folks might be salamander-lovers, too!
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:06 PM
 
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Conservatives villify California because it deserves to be villified. In the 2010 elections, while most of the nation voted to roll back the tide of Marxism, California voted to futher embrace it by electing far left "Progressive" Democrats to every statewide office. California is a shining example of the total utter failure and glaring flaws of Liberalism. For an example of the contempt that the Right holds for the political establishment and climate of the state, just two of the sarcastic names for California are; "The Peoples Socialist Republic of Mexifornia", and "Kommiefornia."

As a Paleo or traditional Constitutional Conservative, not a NeoCon, that has called Southern California my home since FDR was in office, I am far more qualified to evaluate my state than are the arm chair analysts that post here. I have seen it decline over the decades from a wonderful place to live to one that I must soon abandon for another home. I have seen it overrun by hordes of immigrants with no concept or appreciation of American principles, many of these persons little more than savages. I have seen it's leadership and political offices taken over by men and women more dedicated to the thoughts of Marx and Lenin than to those of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, or Lincoln. I have seen it's most productive citizens and companies driven out by exorbitant taxes and fees, stifling regulations, ruthless legal practices, and environmental extremism, all executed by the heavy hand of the political Left. And the question arises as to why California is viewed with contempt by conservatives?
i saw a good post that got to the heart of the problem in california:

Richard Rider, Chair, San Diego Tax FightersOctober 25, 2011 2:47 PM

Consider California’s net domestic migration (migration between states). From April, 2000 through June, 2008 (8 years, 2 months) California has lost a NET1.4 million people. The cumulative net annual income lost from this 8 year out-migration comes to about $26 billion. Net departures slowed in 2008 only because people couldn’t sell their homes. In 2010 we lost “only” 72,000 net people to domestic migration. Again, note that this is NET loss.

Maryland Department of Planning and
http://tinyurl.com/2010-CA-lost-72000 and
Migration Data

These are not welfare kings and queens departing. They are the young, the educated, the productive, the ambitious, the wealthy (such as Tiger Woods) – and retirees seeking to make their pensions provide more bang for the buck.

Some of these departing seniors are retired state and local government employees fleeing the state that provides them with their opulent pensions – in order to avoid the high taxes that these same employees pushed so hard through their unions. And once they move out of California, our state can no longer tax their California-paid pensions. (end)

californians can't keep pretending that they don't have a problem.

it is going to be a beautiful state full of deadbeats (begging for federal dollars, and good luck with that) if they keep electing fiscally irresponsible leaders-and that's a real tragedy.

your leaders are throwing away your prime real estate legacy.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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i saw a good post that got to the heart of the problem in california:

Richard Rider, Chair, San Diego Tax FightersOctober 25, 2011 2:47 PM

Consider California’s net domestic migration (migration between states). From April, 2000 through June, 2008 (8 years, 2 months) California has lost a NET1.4 million people. The cumulative net annual income lost from this 8 year out-migration comes to about $26 billion. Net departures slowed in 2008 only because people couldn’t sell their homes. In 2010 we lost “only†72,000 net people to domestic migration. Again, note that this is NET loss.

Maryland Department of Planning and
California's population grows less than 1 percent | UTSanDiego.com and
Migration Data

These are not welfare kings and queens departing. They are the young, the educated, the productive, the ambitious, the wealthy (such as Tiger Woods) – and retirees seeking to make their pensions provide more bang for the buck.

Some of these departing seniors are retired state and local government employees fleeing the state that provides them with their opulent pensions – in order to avoid the high taxes that these same employees pushed so hard through their unions. And once they move out of California, our state can no longer tax their California-paid pensions. (end)

californians can't keep pretending that they don't have a problem.

it is going to be a beautiful state full of deadbeats (begging for federal dollars, and good luck with that) if they keep electing fiscally irresponsible leaders.
During the 1990s the city of Phoenix, and Arizona in general, was the fastest growing State in the nation, as a result of all those leaving California.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:16 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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What I see here in San Francisco is a rental and real-estate market gone completely amok because of a huge influx of young, highly educated, productive, ambitious, etc. high-tech workers.
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:58 PM
 
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During the 1990s the city of Phoenix, and Arizona in general, was the fastest growing State in the nation, as a result of all those leaving California.
And that's a good thing for Arizona...how? Phoenix was hit extremely hard by the real estate bubble bursting.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:12 PM
 
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if cons hate cali, can all of them leave la jolla, newport beach, and southern california in general so real estate becomes cheaper?
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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And that's a good thing for Arizona...how? Phoenix was hit extremely hard by the real estate bubble bursting.
Better Arizona than Alaska.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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if cons hate cali, can all of them leave la jolla, newport beach, and southern california in general so real estate becomes cheaper?
I already did, 21 years ago. So now what is your excuse?
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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We are ticked because there are about 500,000 of us paying the tab for almost 40 million ungrateful, spoiled, petulant denizens so completely removed from reality and devoid of fiscal responsibility that it feels like living in an episode of the Twilight Zone.
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