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There are consequences. That's a fact of life. There are consequences to every action. There don't have to be consequences after our lives are over.
I don't understand your way of looking at life. My life isn't the way it is because of other people's suffering. My life is the way it is because of the choices I've made. I don't live my life based on what I think will happen after I die. I live my life today. I celebrate the choices I've made. If I'd made different choices, my life would be different. There are always people out there who make choices I admire (like working harder, being more generous, and so on). I aspire to be more like the people I admire. Not because I believe that someday I'll be rewarded when I die, but because the reward is here and now. Being the best person I can be is my reward. Being honest, with others and myself, being generous, with others and myself, being tolerant, with others and myself, lets me have a happy life with friends and family who love and respect me. For who I am. Not for what God I worship or don't worship.
What I mean is, we as Americans are able to live as we live because of our foriegn policy. As citizens and consumers, we allow this process to occur. We vote with our dollars, our apathy, or through the political process.
As Americans, you and I are both responsible for this.
So you agree that morality is going out the window with atheism on the rise.
Depends on how we define morality. Since you clearly define morality as "belief in a high being without evidence, worshipping him daily, and rejecting the heathen", then yes, by your standards the world is becoming more and more immoral.
To me, a moral person is one who voluntarily contributes to the well being of others. By these standards, humanity's morality is improving, as figures report higher charitable donations this year.
What I mean is, we as Americans are able to live as we live because of our foriegn policy. As citizens and consumers, we allow this process to occur. We vote with our dollars, our apathy, or through the political process.
As Americans, you and I are both responsible for this.
That is what I mean.
Okay. As an American, choices are made on my behalf that create suffering for others around the globe. As a moral person, it is my obligation to protest those choices that are made by my government by any means possible. And I do. Believe me, I write, talk, post on-line, about all my grievances. Whiner-in-chief, that's me!
Last edited by DC at the Ridge; 08-16-2012 at 02:28 PM..
Well..... sure. I believe in that thing called free will.
Yet, you're not the one who said that atheists get their morality from government.
Atheists can logically choose not to believe in any god, and yet make moral choices because they are intrinsically moral people. The only people who aren't intrinsically moral are sociopaths and psychopaths, which are mental impairments. Atheists aren't mentally impaired.
Yet, you're not the one who said that atheists get their morality from government.
Atheists can logically choose not to believe in any god, and yet make moral choices because they are intrinsically moral people. The only people who aren't intrinsically moral are sociopaths and psychopaths, which are mental impairments. Atheists aren't mentally impaired.
I never said that they were, and I ask that I not be considered mentally impaired, because I choose to believe. And as far as political leanings go, as a libertarian I don't feel that the government should be in the business of legislating morality.
I never said that they were, and I ask that I not be considered mentally impaired, because I choose to believe. And as far as political leanings go, as a libertarian I don't feel that the government should be in the business of legislating morality.
Yes, I think I addressed that when I said that you weren't the poster I was having this conversation with. I appreciate your input, but HappyTexan is the one who said that since atheists don't believe in God that they are getting their morals from government.
As for believers being mentally impaired, you have me confused with another poster because I never stated, suggested nor implied that.
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It's not a hard concept! Thanks for using logic.
