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Why not? You said the core constituency are white males without advance degrees. I showed you that, just in one little family, you were wrong. It's okay. Maybe you can change your statement to say that the GOP has some white males without advanced degrees.
Really? White males without advanced degrees? My Republican brother in Texas has a PhD and is an engineer with awards from the Pentagon. My Republican daughter has her PhD and is a college instructor. My son in law's Republican father has a Masters Degree, and his Republican mother is a nurse. Kind of flies in the face of your broad-brushed theory. There's you're help.
Don't pay any attention to them. Saying things like that makes them feel better about their own failed lives. They think advanced education is morons like Rachael Maddow having written her thesis on AIDS when she was a 'Rhodes Scholar'.
Why not? You said the core constituency are white males without advance degrees. I showed you that, just in one little family, you were wrong. It's okay. Maybe you can change your statement to say that the GOP has some white males without advanced degrees.
Of course there are outliers in every group. Clearly Condoleeza Rice has an advanced degree. But having a minority of conservatives with advanced degrees doesn't change the fact that the majority of the base is not made up of such people. The anti-intellectual current in the Republican party today runs much, MUCH deeper than among the Democrats.
As whogo said,
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The fact is there are both more Democrats with advanced degrees and more Democrats that never finished high school then there are Republicans of each group. It is a wash.
The question is, who calls the shots on each side? Who is a core constituency? (though not necessarily the only one?)
Then maybe YOU would care to tell me why the GOP's core constituency is mostly white males above a certain age, from certain regions of the country without advanced degrees? I'm still waiting for an answer that one. No one's been able to help me.
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Really? White males without advanced degrees? My Republican brother in Texas has a PhD and is an engineer with awards from the Pentagon. My Republican daughter has her PhD and is a college instructor. My son in law's Republican father has a Masters Degree, and his Republican mother is a nurse. Kind of flies in the face of your broad-brushed theory. There's you're help.
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Anecdotal evidence doesn't exactly work.
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Why not? You said the core constituency are white males without advance degrees. I showed you that, just in one little family, you were wrong. It's okay. Maybe you can change your statement to say that the GOP has some white males without advanced degrees.
"Core" and "mostly" does not equal "all," hence why anecdotal evidence doesn't disprove mackinac's claim.
I actually haven't seen anything about "core" except words written here which are no proof at all. We can post pictures, videos and comments all day of the uneducated in both parties. We can post pictures, videos and comments all day about the educated in both parties. We can post information, pictures and videos all day about the types of people we see at political rallies. I'm sure you're not factoring the "core" description the people that post on CD. Mac's description is too broad and vague.
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"Core" and "mostly" does not equal "all," hence why anecdotal evidence doesn't disprove mackinac's claim.
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The fact is there are both more Democrats with advanced degrees and more Democrats that never finished high school then there are Republicans of each group. It is a wash.
Exactly. A very important point is that those with Bachelor's degrees (but no education beyond a Bachelor's degree) are the most likely to vote Republican.
High school dropouts are the most likely to vote Democrat. However, those with postgraduate education are also more likely to vote Democrat than the electorate as a whole.
Of course there are outliers in every group. Clearly Condoleeza Rice has an advanced degree. But having a minority of conservatives with advanced degrees doesn't change the fact that the majority of the base is not made up of such people. The anti-intellectual current in the Republican party today runs much, MUCH deeper than among the Democrats.
As whogo said,
The question is, who calls the shots on each side? Who is a core constituency? (though not necessarily the only one?)
Intellectuals are too small a group, or even people with advanced degrees, to make up a core constituency for any party that hopes to win an election. Do you believe the Democrats core constituency is individuals with advanced degrees?
Who represents the intellectual wing of the conservative movement today? Is it anyone who's still alive?
I've met, and worked for, quite a few intellectuals who also manage to wield zero common sense. It isn't the moderates who claim to be the brain trust of the DNC, it's the progressives. They'd label themselves just about anything if it helped to foist their ideology upon the backs of the masses.
They are tolerant, yet can't tolerate anyone's disagreeing with them.
They are defenders of minorities, yet they are the first to cause racial divides.
They tend to watch MSNBC; how is that an intellectually smart decision?
They claim to love the Constitution, just not it its present form.
They are usually active in supporting organizations whose names are the opposite of their goals. Exp; People for the American Way
Why do intellectuals always have a love affair with the nanny state, central planning, endless debt? And despise family values, free markets, and capitalism? Why do so many of them tend to be aspiring communists/socialists? The belief in failed systems of government doesn't convey intelligent decision-making skills.
No matter how smart they might be (and they believe themselves to be pretty damn smart right down to the last progressive donkey) they can't hide their lack of common sense. Being afraid of their own shadows doesn't help.
Some quotes From Sowell's "The Vision of the Annointed"
“In the tragic vision, individual sufferings and social evils are inherent in the innate deficiencies of all human beings, whether these deficiencies are in knowledge, wisdom, morality, or courage. Moreover, the available resources are always inadequate to fulfill all the desires of all the people. Thus there are no “solutions” in the tragic vision, but only trade-offs that still leave many unfulfilled and much unhappiness in the world.” — P. 113
“In their haste to be wiser and nobler than others, the anointed have misconceived two basic issues. They seem to assume (1) that they have more knowledge than the average member of the benighted and (2) that this is the relevant comparison. The real comparison, however, is not between the knowledge possessed by the average member of the educated elite versus the average member of the general public, but rather the total direct knowledge brought to bear though social processes (the competition of the marketplace, social sorting, etc.), involving millions of people, versus the secondhand knowledge of generalities possessed by a smaller elite group.” — P. 114
Unlike Sowell I ain't an intellectual but I think what Sowell was saying, in the bolded portion, is ain't no one as smart as the liberal elite think they are. Just got an undergraduate degree so I could be wrong.
Don't pay any attention to them. Saying things like that makes them feel better about their own failed lives. They think advanced education is morons like Rachael Maddow having written her thesis on AIDS when she was a 'Rhodes Scholar'.
Okay...moving on...
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Intellectuals are too small a group, or even people with advanced degrees, to make up a core constituency for any party that hopes to win an election. Do you believe the Democrats core constituency is individuals with advanced degrees?
No. They're one of many groups that make up the Democratic coalition. But most people who have advanced degrees do tend to vote Democrat, as afoigrokerkok said. I do think that there are more "constituencies" among the Democrats than there are the Republicans. It doesn't mean the Democrats have more supporters, but a bigger variety of groups.
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