5 Lies the Media Keeps Repeating About Gaza (generation, statistics, suspected)

[Chava61]

Originally Posted by claudhopper

Stop pretending that the losses are somehow equivalent, they are not.



Names Of Palestinian Killed By Israeli Shells And Missiles Since Last Wednesday:

1- Ahmad Al-Ja’bary, 52 years old.
2- Mohammed Al-hams, 28 years old.
3- Rinan Arafat, 7 years old.
4- Omar Al-Mashharawi, 11 months old.
5- Essam Abu-Alma’za, 20 years old.
6- Mohammed Al-Qaseer, 20 years old.
7- Heba Al-Mashharawi, 6-month pregnant, 19 years old.
8- Mahmoud Abu Sawawin, 65 years old.
9- Habis Hassan Mismih, 29 years old.
10- Wael Haidar Al-Ghalban, 31 years old.
11- Hehsam Mohammed Al-Ghalban, 31 years old.
12- Rani Hammad, 29 years old.
13- Khaled Abu Nasser, 27 year old.
14- Marwan Abu Al-Qumsan, 52 years old.
15- Walid Al-Abalda, 2 years old.
16- Hanin Tafesh, 10 months old.
17- Oday Jamal Nasser, 16 years old.
18- Fares Al-Basyouni, 11 years old.
19- Mohammed Sa’d Allah, 4 years old.
20- Ayman Abu Warda, 22 years old.
21- Tahrir Suliman, 20 years old.
22- Ismael Qandil, 24 years old.
23- Younis Kamal Tafesh, 55 years old.
24- Mohammed Talal Suliman, 28 years old.
25- Amjad Mohammed Abu-Jalal, 32 years old
. 26- Ziad Farhan Abu-Jalal, 23 years old.
27- Ayman Mohammed Abu Jalal, 44 years old.
28- Hassan Salem Al-Heemla’, 27 years old.
29- Khaled Khalil Al-Shaer, 24 years old.
30- Ayman Rafeeq Saleem, 26 years old.
31- Ahmad Abu Musamih, 32 years old.
32- Osama Abdeljawad
33- Ashraf Darwish
34- Ali Al-Mana’ma
35`- Mukhlis Edwan
36- Mohammed Al-Loulhy, 24 years old.
37- Ahmad Al-Atrush
38- Abdul-Rahman Al-Masri
39- Awad Al-Nahhal
40- Ali Hassan Iseed, 25 years old.
41- Mohammed Sabry Al’weedat, 25 years old.
42- Osama Yousif Al-Qadi, 26 years old.
43- Ahmad Ben Saeed, 42 years old.
44- Hani Bre’m, 31 years old.
45- Samaher Qdeih, 28 years old.
46- Tamer Al-Hamry, 26 years old.
47- Jumana Salamah Abu Sufian, 1 year old.
48- Tamer Salamah Abu Sufian, 3 years old.
49- Muhammad Abu Nuqira
50- Eyad Abu Khusa, 18 months old.
51- Tasneem Zuheir Al-Nahhal, 13 years old.
52- Ahmad Essam Al-Nahhal, 25 years old.
53- Nawal Abdul-'Al, 52 years old.
54- Mohammed Jamal Al-Dalou, the father.
55- Ranin Mohammed Jamal Al-Dalou, 5 years old.
56- Jamal Mohammed Jamal Al-Dalou, 7 year old.
57- Yousef Mohammed Jamal Al-Dalou, 10 years old.
58- Ibrahim Mohammed Jamal Al-Dalou, 1 year old.
59- Jamal Al-Dalou, the grandfather.
60- Sulafa Al Dalou, 46 years old
61- Samah Al-Dalou, 25 years old
62- Tahani Al-Dalou, 50 years old
63- Amina Matar Al-Mzanner, 83 years old.
64- Abdullah Mohammed Al-Mzanner, 23.
65- Suheil Hamada
66- Mo’men Hamada
67- Atiyya Mubarak.
68- Hussam Abu Shaweesh.
69- Samy Al-Ghfeir, 22 years old.
70- Mohammed Bakr Al-Of, 24 years old.
71- Ahmad Abu Amra
72- Nabil Ahmad Abu Amra.
73- Hussein Jalal Nasser, 8 years old.
74- Jalal Nasr, 35.
75- Sabha Al-Hashash, 60 years old.
76- Saif Al-Deen Sadeq.
77- Ahmad Hussein Al-Agha.
78- Emad Abu Hamda, 30 years old.
79- Mohammed Jindiyya, 31.
80- Mohammed Iyad Abu Zour, 4 years old.
81- Nisma Abu Zour, 19 years old.
82- Ahed Al-Qattaty, 38 years old.
83- Al-Abd Mohammed Al-Attar.
84- Rana Ash-Shandi, 18 months.
85. Tamer Basheer.
86. Amin Basheer.
87. Salah Basheer.
88. Abdullah Harb Abu Khater (21)
89. Mahmoud Saeed Abu Khater (34)
90. Rashid ‘Alyan Abu ‘Amra (45)
91. Amin Zuhdi Bashir (40)
92. Tamer Rushdi Bashir (30)
93- Hussam Abdeljawad.
94- Ramadan Ahmad Mahmoud, 20 years old.
95- Mohammed Riyad Shamallakh, 23 years old.
96- A’ed Radi.
97- Ameer Al-Malahi
98- Ramez Harb
99- Salem Sweilem
100- Muhammed Ziyad Tbeil.
101- Arkan Abu Kmeil
102- Ibrahim Al-Hawajri
103- Khalil Shhada
104- Osama Shhada
106- Suhaib Fo’ad Hjazi, 2 years old.
107- Mohammed Fo’ad Hjazi, 3 years old.
108- Fo’ad khalil Hjazi
109- Mohammed Tawfeeq Al-Nassasra, 20 years old.
110-Ahmad Tawfeeq Al-Nassasra, 18 years old.
111- Ahmad Khaled Daghmash.
112- Bilal Al-Barrawi, 20.
113- Yahya Mohammad Awad, 15.
114- Mahmoud Az-Zahhar, in his thirties.
115- Abdul-Rahman Abu Hamza, 22.
115- Mohammad Bader, in his twenties.
116- Bilal Al-Barawi, 20.
117- Akram Ma’rouf.
118- Ahmad Doghmosh.
119- Sobhi Doghmosh.
120- Salah Doghmosh.
121- Ameen Al-Dod, 22.
122- Ahmad Abed Abu Mor.
123- Khaled Abed Abu Mor.
124- Salem Ayesh Abu Sitta.
125- Mohammad Ayesh Abu Sitta.
126- Ayman Rafiq Abu Rashid.
127- Saber Bulbul.
128- Tareq Hjeila.
129- Ziad Abu Al-Qaraya.
131- Mahmoud Al-Koomi.
132- Hussam Salama.
133- Mohammad Mousa Abu Aisha.
134- Hasan Yousef Al-Ostaz.
135- Mohammad Abu Sitta.
136- Salem Abu Sitta.
137- Abdul-Rahman Abu Hamad.
138- Ibrahim Ahmad Mahmoud Hamad
139- Mahmoud Kahlil Al-Arja
140- Abdallah Asseela,.
141- Mustafa Awad Abu Hamidan.
142- Ahmad Abu’liyyan.
143- Fares Esbeita, 25 years old.
144- Ameera Abu Nasser, 21 years old.
145- Ibrahim Abu Nasser, 70 years old.
146- Mohammed Adnan Al-Ashqar, 22 years old.
147- Andul-Rahman Naim, 2.
148- Talal Al-Asaly.
149- Hadeel Al-Asaly (child daughter of Talal)
150- Ayman Al-Asaly (child son of Talal).
151- Mohammad Al-Ashqar, 22.
152- Mohammad Abu Khousa, 13.
153. Ibrahim Abu Nasr, 80.
154- Fares Sbatiyya, 22.
155- Ahmad Abu Oleyyan (Child)
156- Abdullah Asaliyya.

Israeli Chief Of Staff: “We Will Continue To Pound Gaza Despite Truce Mediation” - International Middle East Media Center

I never said that the numbers were the same. But for each family member that has someone killed the pain is the same.

Also you might want to add to your numbers all the Israelis that have been killed in terror attacks done by various Palestinian terror groups since the establishment of Israel in 1948.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Virtual Insanity

1. Israel Was Forced to Respond to Rockets to Defend Its Citizens
2. Israel Tries to Avoid Civilian Casualties
3. This Is About Security
4. Hamas Is the Problem
5. There is a Military Solution to this Conflict

Omar Baddar: 5 Lies the Media Keeps Repeating About Gaza

For anyone still eating up the propaganda of Zionists and their media allies, check this link out. Let's keep blaming the Palestinians for the deaths of their children.

Well, if Omar says so, then it must be so ()

[claudhopper]

Originally Posted by texdav

Exactly.They do not really support the allies of their enemeies;the Iranians.One has to remmber the religous sects will never be allies in the end. Sauidi's and the Iranian's are enemies as always.

The Saudi's are joined with the western imperialists, mainly Israel, US, Qatar, and Turkey.

[softblueyz]

Originally Posted by Chava61

women and children being harmed on both sides of the conflict and it is very sad for everyone involved.

Glad to see that you can acknowledge ^^^^^.

[claudhopper]

Originally Posted by Chava61

I never said that the numbers were the same. But for each family member that has someone killed the pain is the same.

Also you might want to add to your numbers all the Israelis that have been killed in terror attacks done by various Palestinian terror groups since the establishment of Israel in 1948.

Go ahead, I'm not going to make your argument for you. The numbers don't compare.


21 Palestinians Killed In Gaza Tuesday, 137 in last 7 days

At least 950 Palestinians have been injured since the Israeli offensive on Gaza started last Wednesday, the vast majority of the victims are civilians, including infants, children, women and elderly.
21 Palestinians Killed In Gaza Tuesday, 137 in last 7 days - International Middle East Media Center

[roysoldboy]

Originally Posted by Pruzhany

More Photos From “Concentration Camp” Gaza | Israellycool

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I wonder why our media doesn't show us any pictures of all this seeming opulence. They only show pictures of children and teens throwing stones at those terrible Israeli soldiers near a fence that is abutted to sand and rocks. Surely somebody is lying and it is our media, I think.

[kidkaos2]

Originally Posted by claudhopper

Go ahead, I'm not going to make your argument for you. The numbers don't compare.


21 Palestinians Killed In Gaza Tuesday, 137 in last 7 days

At least 950 Palestinians have been injured since the Israeli offensive on Gaza started last Wednesday, the vast majority of the victims are civilians, including infants, children, women and elderly.
21 Palestinians Killed In Gaza Tuesday, 137 in last 7 days - International Middle East Media Center

So the numbers don't compare. So what? I don't see that you have any point. You make post after post after post about this fact in this thread. What's the relevance?

Hamas attacked Israel and missed. Israel attacked back and hit. So let's blame Israel? It makes no sense.

[roysoldboy]

Originally Posted by claudhopper

Go ahead, I'm not going to make your argument for you. The numbers don't compare.


21 Palestinians Killed In Gaza Tuesday, 137 in last 7 days

At least 950 Palestinians have been injured since the Israeli offensive on Gaza started last Wednesday, the vast majority of the victims are civilians, including infants, children, women and elderly.
21 Palestinians Killed In Gaza Tuesday, 137 in last 7 days - International Middle East Media Center

How about you say something about where the Hamas rocket launchers are placed and why they are placed there?d I think maybe some importance should be place on that.

[godofthunder9010]

Eoin that's a lot to respond to but here goes.

The Palestinians got screwed and everyone who helped create the problem should be a part of fixing it. Refugees are stuck where they are. For a very long time, they stayed put because they were promised by their allies that Israel would be destroyed. It is possible that all who could leave, have left but I seriously doubt it. But let's say you are right. Then Western Europe (especially the UK), the USA, Egypt, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Jordan and Israel all need to collectively foot the bill for helping them find a better life somewhere else. Trouble is, the Muslim nations want them there. As long as there are refugees in camps, they can always point to them as proof that Israel is evil and must be destroyed. The remaining refugees are not being allowed to leave. Jordan isn't letting them in. Lebanon isn't letting them in. Egypt isn't letting them in. Saudi Arabia isn't letting them in. More distant nations are not letting them in. Israel certainly doesn't want them to stay there in the refugee camps. If Egypt feels so sorry for the plight of Gaza, why not offer up sanctuary in Egypt?

The single biggest reason that the Israel/Palestine problem never gets solved is simple: People are too focused on the past.

Yes, the Palestinians had lands and property taken from them. Yes the land was theirs at one point. That scrap of land is the crossroads of three continents and the hotbed of human history. One group has displaced the next, then the next, then the next, then the next for as long as anyone can remember. Israel is just the most recent example. The Palestinians did everything in their power to stop the Jews from settling in Israel/Palestine under any circumstances. They were downright malicious. The Jews were also downright mean in return. The Israelis have certainly not been angels. There's been bad behavior on their part and a lot of it. If the Palestinians weren't blowing up daycares, schoolbuses and doing their level best to massacre innocent people, I'd have a lot more sympathy for them. I do sympathize nonetheless.

But let's face reality. You can't just turn the clock back and change everything. You can't rebuild the present based on what the world used to look like. It's the same with Islam returning the 4 holy cities of Christianity to the Christians. It's the same story as Tibet being unjustly siezed by the Chinese, and has since been colonized by ethnic Chinese. China also occupies a big chunk of India that they siezed by force and have no intention of giving back. The Russians displaced the Germans and Polish enmasse to expand their own borders. Lots of unfortunate things have happened in human history. In almost every case, present day realities make undoing those bad things unrealistic. The same is true for Israel. After being kicked around and horribly mistreated by pretty much everyone for thousands of years, they finally have a nation of their own again. They're never going to give it up. Why would they?

Demanding and end of the nation of Israel is a completely ridiculous demand. It's a complete non-starter. You might as well ask Saudi Arabia to turn over Mecca and Medina to the Roman Catholic Church.

There will never be peace in the Middle East until the Muslim world, especially the Palestinians, accepts the fact that Israel isn't going to just go away. Any final peace agreement must begin with recognizing Israel's right to exist. Fail to do that and you might as well not bother with peace talks at all.

There's a lot more I could respond to, but what I've said should suffice. I do thank you for bringing a voice of reason to a subject matter that most often involves childishly hurling insults around and the like.

[oberon_1]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Actually, Jews have lived side by side with their "neighbors" for centuries. What the Palestinians are horrified by is the fact that since the June 6, 1967 War initiated by Israel against Syria, Jordan and Egypt displaced 129,000 Palestinians and established the present occupation of the West Bank territories granted to the Palestinians first by the UN Partition Plan and later established as result of the 1947 Arab Israeli War.

If there is a contest for most misinformation in a single post, that must be the winner!
I will stick to the facts:
1) According to your post one can assume that 1948-1967 was a quiet period, interrupted only by Israel when it initiated the war of 1967! Even Palestinians will disagree with that...
2) 1947 UN granted Palestinians a territory which was rejected by them as totally unacceptable. Pretending today that there was any agreement is factually wrong. A long war erupted after the Palestinians rejected the proposal. If asked, they probably reject it even today.
3) The 1948 war outcome was very different than the map drawn by the UN in 1947 and the period between 1947-1967 very stormy. In those years, Palestinians could demand to establish an independent state in the west bank and Gaza. They didn't even consider such option. Can you guess why?

A side note:
Palestinians are the only case where the title "refugee" is inherited even 5 generations after. No other refugee (anywhere) can claim that. In all other cases, refugees (that are considered so by the UN) are refugees for a couple of years, then resettled where they are. New refugees appear and hold that title.
There are tens of millions of refugees on the globe, but only for Palestinians the UN opened a dedicated agency (UNRWA).