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there needs to be more nuanced statistics given when they talk about violent cities. I am not disputing the chicago has a murder problem.
What is more important is are the murder/gun crimes thug on thug, innocent victims, etc. People/the news are desensitized towards murder, gun crimes, etc when it's gangbanger shooting up gangbanger.
Situations like shady hook, columbine, and aurora catch the national attention much more.
Because they're much more rare. Chicago's violent crime problem is commonplace day in and day out. It's not newsworthy because everyone has become so accustomed to Chicago's violence.
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What percentage of chicago's murder rate/gun crime innocent victims, mass shootings and what percentage is criminal on criminal?
The pro-gun lobby uses Chicago as an example of a place with strict gun control but high gun death rates. They are conveniently leaving out the fact that Chicago is just one city, and there are hundreds of smaller cities surrounding Chicago that have more lenient gun laws, not to mention the entire states of Wisconsin and Indiana, which are also very close.
The pro-gun lobby uses Chicago as an example of a place with strict gun control but high gun death rates. They are conveniently leaving out the fact that Chicago is just one city, and there are hundreds of smaller cities surrounding Chicago that have more lenient gun laws, not to mention the entire states of Wisconsin and Indiana, which are also very close.
Another excellent point. It says I can't rep you, but I don't even remember repping you recently? Maybe I just forgot.
Gun violence in the US is inexorably linked to gang violence, which is linked to the shadow economy of drugs. Despite what you want to believe, most gun deaths are not perpetrated by crazy people on innocent bystanders. When rich whites die in suburbia, it's just more shocking and newsworthy and everyone likes to get on TV and be outraged. Minority deaths in the inner city, both criminal and innocent, are just considered par for the course.
This is a very straightforward inquiry. All I want is for someone to give me a well-reasoned and evidenced explanation as to why this chart looks the way it does with respect to the USA.
This compares the United States to other developed nations, which is the appropriate comparison, not to nations that have civil unrest or semi-functional/poorly developed social systems. There are nations that have higher rates of gun violence than we do, including Mexico and Brazil. But if you want to include them, go ahead - still, look at how many nations are to the left on the chart.
As you prepare your answer, note several things:
1. Crime in the USA has been on a downward trend, but even so, you can look at any data source on any website, and you will find clear, unmistakeable evidence that tells you that the USA as a huge statistical outlier in the developed world terms of gun deaths. And we've developed a world-wide reputation for the kinds of gun massacres that occurred yesterday.
2. Notice Switzerland, Finland, and Israel on the chart - they all have relatively widespread gun ownership but much lower homicide rates. They also have much tighter gun control laws than we do.
3. Notice, too, that these are many of the "liberal lifestyle" countries that are oftentimes derided for implementing "socialism."
4. The USA is among the top most heavily armed, if not the most heavily armed, nations on the planet. If more guns are the differentiating factor to make us safer, then we should be among the safest countries on the left-hand side of the chart, along with Switzerland, Finland, Israel, and all of the other nations off to the right with increasing bar sizes.
5. Finally, note that the USA has much more liberal gun control laws than all of these nations.
But let's play devil's advocate and start with the premise that gun control is not the primary differentiating factor that explains this chart. Let's be open to other explanations. What other rational, evidence-based reasons are there as to why this chart looks the way it does? Serious answers are appreciated.
Because, unlike people in other countries, we think we're special and deserve to win and we get mad when we don't and when we don't, it's always someone elses fault and someone else must pay. Take guns away and they'll just use knives or bludgeon people to death or use any number of other methods to kill. You're asking the wrong question. It's not why do we have so many gun homicides. It's why do we have so many homicides, period.
I was on another forum and someone asked the question "do you feel safe walking to your backyard at night?".
I was horrified that not only over 50% of respondents, both rural and urban, said NO.
One respondent even stated "I don't even put my rubbish out unless I'm carrying".
Come on America...is this really the way you want to live?
Why the argument about guns causing gun deaths? Cars cause auto accidents, no one disputes that...
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