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And gun control. And yet given all that, Chicago has more violent crime. Hmmm...
Chicago has a high crime rate and strict gun laws, therefore gun laws don't work, despite the fact that there are countless other examples of cities with strict gun laws that also have low crime.
It's like saying hospitals don't work because a patient died.
The normal people who don't feel the need to have an arsenal in our homes are getting fed up.
And we vastly outnumber the gun nuts. So if we can get gun control on the ballot the gun lovers are in trouble. We have the right president to help us get it done and he is highly motivated now.
Well you ordinary folk need to speak up.
And LOUDLY.
You can't just sit on your hands waiting for your politicians to listen...ordinary nonviolent Americans have to MAKE them listen.
The NRA has a very tight hold on the political scene in the US, and they haven't got there without support and encouragement and funding from a lot of wealthy people.
You have a few dictating the lifestyle of the many, which is the exact opposite of Democracy.
In Australia, we would be camped out on the lawns of Parliament House by now, protesting.
We would not, as a nation, sit by and let our children be slaughtered in their schoolyards, just so some rich guy can have a fancy gun collection and go shooting at critters in his downtime.
And gun control. And yet given all that, Chicago has more violent crime. Hmmm...
there needs to be more nuanced statistics given when they talk about violent cities. I am not disputing the chicago has a murder problem.
What is more important is are the murder/gun crimes thug on thug, innocent victims, etc. People/the news are desensitized towards murder, gun crimes, etc when it's gangbanger shooting up gangbanger.
Situations like shady hook, columbine, and aurora catch the national attention much more.
What percentage of chicago's murder rate/gun crime innocent victims, mass shootings and what percentage is criminal on criminal?
The sad fact is, if most of chicago's gun violence is south side gangsters shooting up each other, most people/the news just wont care all that much as it's not 'their problem'.
there needs to be more nuanced statistics given when they talk about violent cities. I am not disputing the chicago has a murder problem.
What is more important is are the murder/gun crimes thug on thug, innocent victims, etc. People/the news are desensitized towards murder, gun crimes, etc when it's gangbanger shooting up gangbanger.
Situations like shady hook, columbine, and aurora catch the national attention much more.
What percentage of chicago's murder rate/gun crime innocent victims, mass shootings and what percentage is criminal on criminal?
The sad fact is, if most of chicago's gun violence is south side gangsters shooting up each other, most people/the news just wont care all that much as it's not 'their problem'.
Exactly. 90% of Chicago is safe. Crime is concentrated into extremely bad areas, which is still unfortunate of course. But to say Chicago's gun law has been a failure because gangsters are shooting gangsters in the ghetto like they always have is silly.
I don't see many countries listed like mexico;just for one.I also think murder rates in most areas of the country have dropped but gone higher in some areas and amoung some groups. That murder is and has been the leading cause of death amoung young black males is alarming. The rate in say Chicago having set a new record two month earlier this year also is.Also if you take the US and look at types it makes a huge difference ngenral safety..Like such as during another crime against a stranger verus known person.This is a big diverse country compared to say UK. In many countries we don;t even know its so violent there with conflict. Een lookigat murders by catagory of reason is alrmigsay compared to the 50's.Beig a perso who wne tto school i the mid 50's to mid 60's ;its alarmig that we see the need for camus police now with none then ;at elast anyhwere I was raised. Now we see Colleges havign not just a few camus polcie who were mostly secutirty typre bu actaul large forces.It sya one thing ;that we have a more genrally violent scoiety and it not isolate i area so much.
Chicago has a high crime rate and strict gun laws, therefore gun laws don't work, despite the fact that there are countless other examples of cities with strict gun laws that also have low crime.
It's like saying hospitals don't work because a patient died.
Same fallacy used by the pro gun control crowd when they refer to Europe.
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Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale
I don't know why you're afraid of sensible gun control. It wouldn't hurt to be more careful about who has access to guns.
I believe they call that "moving the goalposts".
Gun control in this country is not currently set up in that way, so this has no relevance to the statistics you're referencing.
The background check system is national. It's the same in Alabama and New Jersey. What's different is concealed/open carry law and other restrictions on use. Absolutely nothing about who is allowed to purchase a gun, except in extreme circumstance such as DC before Heller.
Pretty much goes in line with what I said. The only place in which liberal gun laws definitively correlate with higher crime is in the mid south, MS, LA, etc.
Northwest, Far northeast, midwest, all have liberal gun laws.
Mid atlantic has strict gun laws.
And again, you're singling out gun crime, which at the end of the day, doesn't matter. What matters is crime.
Tack that onto your causation fallacy, which would obliterate your argument even if you were to completely destroy me on geography of gun crime, and your argument is looking pretty weak.
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Originally Posted by ELR123
Exactly. 90% of Chicago is safe. Crime is concentrated into extremely bad areas, which is still unfortunate of course. But to say Chicago's gun law has been a failure because gangsters are shooting gangsters in the ghetto like they always have is silly.
No it's not. Gun control is supposed to stop gun crime, right? And Chicago, despite strict gun control, is one of the most violent cities in the country.
You can only use this line of logic against someone arguing that liberal gun laws will make Chicago safer, because they would have no basis for that argument. You can not however use it to argue the reverse.
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