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But please think about it in practical terms. Someone, presumably a doctor, makes a determination that a patient could go violent. OK, you must *immediately* ship that person off to a padded cell. No second opinions, nothing. Then what happens? Life term? Maybe the family hires a lawyer and sues the imprisoning body, and that patient is released. Who can guarantee he won't flip out and kill someone? None of this makes any damn sense!
It comes back to an actual solution: gun control.
Well, we used to do it and didn't have these mass shooting issues. So, seems history would prove you incorrect.
But please think about it in practical terms. Someone, presumably a doctor, makes a determination that a patient could go violent. OK, you must *immediately* ship that person off to a padded cell. No second opinions, nothing. Then what happens? Life term? Maybe the family hires a lawyer and sues the imprisoning body, and that patient is released. Who can guarantee he won't flip out and kill someone? None of this makes any damn sense!
It comes back to an actual solution: gun control.
Or at least if you live with that person you can not have guns in that home. If a person who is deemed to be unstable mentally lives with you, even if you can own a gun you can't keep them where this person has any way shape or form access to them. If you want to keep them at a gun shop, or in a safe at a relatives home, but not in your home. If they get ahold of them and you did not comply you can be charged. We have to have consequences, seems like neocons want consequences for every one but them self.
Well, we used to do it and didn't have these mass shooting issues. So, seems history would prove you incorrect.
America used to lock people up and preform lobotomy's and electro shock on them, they also used to do some mumbo jumbo because they were thought to be possessed. LOL Your argument is the false dichotomy here.
America used to lock people up and preform lobotomy's and electro shock on them, they also used to do some mumbo jumbo because they were thought to be possessed. LOL Your argument is the false dichotomy here.
ECT has made a serious comeback, but that's for another day
Or at least if you live with that person you can not have guns in that home. If a person who is deemed to be unstable mentally lives with you, even if you can own a gun you can't keep them where this person has any way shape or form access to them. If you want to keep them at a gun shop, or in a safe at a relatives home, but not in your home. If they get ahold of them and you did not comply you can be charged. We have to have consequences, seems like neocons want consequences for every one but them self.
Just as there is a closed pool thanks to Ronnie Reagan, of automatic weapons, [no new weapons can be put in the system for private ownership, and those weapons that do exist for private ownership have to be sold through a class 3 dealer and you have to submit to an extensive back ground check, and then pay a 200 dollar stamp tax. once you own one you can not sell it at the local seven eleven. It has to be sold the same way you bought it.] This is why there is no to very few crimes committed with legal full auto weapons.
So why not create a new classification of gun. The semi auto pistol and rifle. If you buy or sell one, you have to pay say 50 bucks to the gov. to do a back ground check on you, and then you own that gun and can not sell it no mater what your local laws are at the wal-mart parking lot to god knows who. It has to be transfered each time you sell. Yep its a bit of a *****, and I myself a gun owner to the tune at one time of 150 guns [I am a bit of a collector] have sold guns legally in parking lots, AR and a Cetme[all legally]. But if it stops things like what happened last week a bit of hassle is nothing compared to the life of a 5yo.
Another self-professed gun owner or "2nd Amendment supporter" that wants to effectively outlaw (or make prohibitively expensive/difficult to get) every handgun except single action revolvers.
You people are what's wrong with this country, when it comes to idiotic gun laws.
You do know that you already have to pay for a background check when you buy a gun in most situations, right? It's referred to as the "Brady Tax," and if you were the gun owner/supporter/collector you say you are, you'd know this already.
The government is already backlogged with background checks. Requiring that every semi-auto add to that burden (which I can't stress enough is an outrageously stupid idea) would effectively create a months - or years - long delay.
You guys need to stop with the knee-jerk reactions to occasional and rare events. As I've said multiple times in this forum since Friday, if only 1% of the gun owners in this country went postal and committed atrocities such as Friday's, you would literally have THOUSANDS of these events occurring EVERY SINGLE DAY. Hopefully that provides you with a new perspective, because you - and others like you - clearly need one.
FFS, man. Are you now saying that correlation implies causation? We also didn't used to have assault rifles. Jesus.
Define an assault rifle.
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America used to lock people up and preform lobotomy's and electro shock on them, they also used to do some mumbo jumbo because they were thought to be possessed. LOL Your argument is the false dichotomy here.
Why do you keep avoiding the mental health issue? Yes, I'm a conservative actually advocating for MORE government spending on mental health. My point is that we have tried and tried again with gun control, as evidenced by the myriad of gun control laws. Perhaps we should stop doing the same thing again and again; let's try something that actually has a chance of being effective and makes sense. Let's see. Your proposal punishes the law abiding. My proposal suggests proper healthcare and treatment for mentally ill and if necessary (e.g. deemed a danger to themselves or others), the means to place them into a mental health facility.
Another self-professed gun owner or "2nd Amendment supporter" that wants to effectively outlaw (or make prohibitively expensive/difficult to get) every handgun except single action revolvers.
You people are what's wrong with this country, when it comes to idiotic gun laws.
You do know that you already have to pay for a background check when you buy a gun in most situations, right? It's referred to as the "Brady Tax," and if you were the gun owner/supporter/collector you say you are, you'd know this already.
The government is already backlogged with background checks. Requiring that every semi-auto add to that burden (which I can't stress enough is an outrageously stupid idea) would effectively create a months - or years - long delay.
You guys need to stop with the knee-jerk reactions to occasional and rare events. As I've said multiple times in this forum since Friday, if only 1% of the gun owners in this country went postal and committed atrocities such as Friday's, you would literally have THOUSANDS of these events occurring EVERY SINGLE DAY. Hopefully that provides you with a new perspective, because you - and others like you - clearly need one.
First off, I have never paid a BGC tax, there is no charge from ATF for each check, its a simple phone call, and I have done it at gun shows. I have lived and bought in Michigan, Kansas, Arkansas, Florida and never once paid a tax for a back ground check. Don't know who is rubbing your rubarb but you should at least get dinner before the DS. LOL Every semi auto sold by a dealer new or used is done with a NICs check. So your just wrong, a few more will not block things up. And what if it did? If it stopped one shooting its worth it, a little inconveniences on our part is worth it unless your an uncaring ass. Your states are just wrong. You are clearly mental.
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