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Sorry, won't work. I'll keep my hobby. You find another way to deal with the violence.
How about we shut down Hollywood and Music from glorifying violence. Check out the new Tom Cruise movie.
Bunch of Hypocrites.
Our hobby will be more regulated that much is clear. If not now it will be, because it has to be. I am not going to quit shooting either, I load and shoot on a regular basis. But if a bit more restriction or regulation is going to stop a bit of this its worth it. Our right is not absolute as are the others in the bill of rights, non are absolute. They are regulated. You have the right to free speech but you can't say your going to kill the president. Get used to it.
It's not a theoretical system, it's one that USED TO HAVE in this country. Crazy people were locked up in facilities and given treatment if they appeared to be of possible harm to themselves or others. It was the Carter administration, I believe, that felt we should street 'em and treat 'em. That hasn't worked out so well though, has it?
I don't know what to tell you. I do know that Australia banned assault weapons in 1996 following a massacre and hasn't seen one since. They spent a boatload of money on a buyback program. I have no idea what, if anything, they did regarding mental health. I largely don't care.
Just as there is a closed pool thanks to Ronnie Reagan, of automatic weapons, [no new weapons can be put in the system for private ownership, and those weapons that do exist for private ownership have to be sold through a class 3 dealer and you have to submit to an extensive back ground check, and then pay a 200 dollar stamp tax. once you own one you can not sell it at the local seven eleven. It has to be sold the same way you bought it.] This is why there is no to very few crimes committed with legal full auto weapons.
So why not create a new classification of gun. The semi auto pistol and rifle. If you buy or sell one, you have to pay say 50 bucks to the gov. to do a back ground check on you, and then you own that gun and can not sell it no mater what your local laws are at the wal-mart parking lot to god knows who. It has to be transfered each time you sell. Yep its a bit of a *****, and I myself a gun owner to the tune at one time of 150 guns [I am a bit of a collector] have sold guns legally in parking lots, AR and a Cetme[all legally]. But if it stops things like what happened last week a bit of hassle is nothing compared to the life of a 5yo.
some people think we need to create a definition called "assault weapons" but I think we should just call them murder weapons, and ban anything that could be used to murder another human being. There you go, all fixed, no more murders.
Gun bans have been tried. The mass killings kept going right along.
"Assault weapon" bans have been tried. The mass shootings kept occurring, wigh dozens dead and injured.
FALSE. Completely and utterly FALSE.
Back in 1996, Australia imposed a much stricter version of the assault weapons ban after a mass shooting. The Australian version avoided many of the loopholes in the U.S. law: Not only did the country ban all types of semiautomatic rifles and shotguns, but it also spent $500 million buying up nearly 600,000 existing guns from private owners.
As Wonkblog’s Sarah Kliff pointed out, Australia’s law appears to have curbed gun violence. Researchers in the British Medical Journal write that the ban was “followed by more than a decade free of fatal mass shootings, and accelerated declines in firearm deaths, particularly suicides.â€
Back in 1996, Australia imposed a much stricter version of the assault weapons ban after a mass shooting. The Australian version avoided many of the loopholes in the U.S. law: Not only did the country ban all types of semiautomatic rifles and shotguns, but it also spent $500 million buying up nearly 600,000 existing guns from private owners.
As Wonkblog’s Sarah Kliff pointed out, Australia’s law appears to have curbed gun violence. Researchers in the British Medical Journal write that the ban was “followed by more than a decade free of fatal mass shootings, and accelerated declines in firearm deaths, particularly suicides.â€
There are 300 million guns in America. Good luck with that.
Just as there is a closed pool thanks to Ronnie Reagan, of automatic weapons, [no new weapons can be put in the system for private ownership, and those weapons that do exist for private ownership have to be sold through a class 3 dealer and you have to submit to an extensive back ground check, and then pay a 200 dollar stamp tax. once you own one you can not sell it at the local seven eleven. It has to be sold the same way you bought it.] This is why there is no to very few crimes committed with legal full auto weapons.
Fallacious argument. Even before 1986 there were very few crimes committed with legal fully auto weapons in fact there are exactly three The St. Valentines Day Massacre and one around 1980 where a cop shot his wife in bed with another guy with a Mac-10, and SWAT officer Edward Lutes who went postal on his supervisor and neighbors with his police issued MP5. There have been no other recorded crimes committed with legal full auto firearms. So for instance the North Hollywood shootout there were full auto weapons used, however they were not legal, but illegally modified.
I'll point out of the three cases only in one of those cases (the St. Valentines Day Massacre which precededed the 1934 GCA) has full auto been restricted to the perpetrators of these crimes the other 67% of crimes were by police officers who still have easy access to fully automatic firearms even after the 1986 Hughes Amendment.
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Originally Posted by itlltickleurinnerds
So why not create a new classification of gun. The semi auto pistol and rifle. If you buy or sell one, you have to pay say 50 bucks to the gov. to do a back ground check on you, and then you own that gun and can not sell it no mater what your local laws are at the wal-mart parking lot to god knows who. It has to be transfered each time you sell. Yep its a bit of a *****, and I myself a gun owner to the tune at one time of 150 guns [I am a bit of a collector] have sold guns legally in parking lots, AR and a Cetme[all legally]. But if it stops things like what happened last week a bit of hassle is nothing compared to the life of a 5yo.
However it will not. It would not have stopped that event in CT, the guns used by the shooter were all legally obtained by the shooters mother who was then robbed and murdered by that same shooter, how could it have stopped that event? His Mother bought the two handguns, and the rifle, he tried to buy some firearms from a gun store and was denied, this shows that even the current mechanisms in place worked, but didn't stop the event.
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