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"Hell no" = compromise. Get serious. For decades the NRA had the votes to create gridlock negating any meaningful reform. Now with this massacre, I have no doubt they don't. So quite frankly, the side w/o the votes should not be answering "Hell NO" to anything.
It will never be 12/13/2012 for the NRA and their mindset again.
An RPG is an order of magnitude more powerful than a .223 cartridge. There is no defensive use of an RPG, whereas a .223 is appropriate for sport shooting, hunting, as well as self defense, though some think it's not powerful enough for big game.
So, are you okay with .223 rifles? 7.62mm? .50 caliber?
If not, based upon what criteria?
BTW, since you obviously don't know enough about firearms to tell me why the AR-15 is more dangerous than the rifle in the picture I posted, I'll spill the beans. It's not. It fires the exact same round downrange at the exact same speed, and reloads in a functionally identical manner. It doesn't "look" as "scary", but it is functionally identical.
I already explained I don't care about having a meaningless debate about is this gun more powerful than this other gun.
I think once any person admits that certain weapons are too dangerous to allow then the question is only the terms of what that means.
Certain guns would fit the criteria of being so dangerous and destructive that they need to be banned.
Last night I bet I opened at least 30 of the hundred or so new threads discussing gun control on this board. Not in even one of these did I find a hint of meaningful conversation that displayed any reason or logic from the anti gun people. Instead they are inundated with sheer ignorance and blind stupidity with zero intellect and very little intelligence being displayed. Just a few examples of the ignorance, and I'm para-phrasing:
And the winner, by a landslide.....
How exactly do you expect to accomplish anything with this type of mentality? Do you not agree with president Obama that to create "meaningful action" we must "come together"? all this rhetoric is doing nothing but driving us further apart. Being the NRA member and avid believer in the second amendment that I am, I'm not a real big fan of any kind of new regulations on firearms, however, I DO believe there is a middle ground and room for compromise on both sides of the issue. Things like a national firearms registry, NICS check on all sales public and private, mental health status showing up on the NICS check, mandatory gun safes, regulating high capacity magazines, these are all areas that could be discussed and compromised on. It should also be noted that all of the above are considered "radical" ideas by my fellow pro gun posters on here. It should also be noted that I held these beliefs long before any of the recent mass shootings because unlike MANY of you, I am capable of keeping my emotions in check, and don't let the latest tragedy influence my political convictions.
One thing I am certain of though, is that with all the mud-slinging school yard bull**** being flung around between both sides, this "meaningful action and change" will never happen. One side starts it and the other side either clams up or throws it right back. So heres your chance, I've given you a baseline to start a real conversation, let's see if we can all be adults here and handle it.
P.S.
I would also like to point out that I have the capacity to realise that no matter how many laws or regulations that you pass, short of banning guns on a world wide level and rounding them all up and melting them down, you will never ever be able to completely prevent this type of thing from happening.
Which, feel free to entertain the notion of banning guns all you want, but with 300,000,000 privately owned guns in this country alone,good luck with that.
Psssst...the people offended by those types of posts will never come around to any kind of sensible compromise, anyway.
I already explained I don't care about having a meaningless debate about is this gun more powerful than this other gun.
And yet, your initial proposal was to ban guns that are "too powerful". But I don't know what that means, there is no standard definition of "too powerful" when it comes to firearms. Ergo, to know whether or not your proposal is reasonable, you must define what you mean.
"Too powerful", in and of itself, is a meaningless term.
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Certain guns would fit the criteria of being so dangerous and destructive that they need to be banned.
The problem is you can't have a serious discussion with the mentally insane. gun nuts are crazy. They have crazy views about the world. They live in a constant state of fear. They have these fantasies that they are going to fight the government, or fight marauding bands of urban criminals who are they are terrified will riot.
Many are conspiracy theorists, and racists who are ruled by fear.
You understand the irony in these statements one assumes...?
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Irrelevant
It's completely relevant. The fact you dismiss it so quickly is even more telling.
How can you have a meaningful discussion on gun control when you believe what you've stated (unless you don't believe it, in which case it's even more irrational), moreover you yourself have views that are completely irrational, which could be called by some "Crazy".
I'm probably what you consider a gun nut. I don't live in a state of constant fear, I don't have fantasies about fighting the government, I've fought for the government enough to know it wouldn't be pretty, I don't plan on fighting marauding bands of urban criminals, I live in a rural area (almost devoid of people) there are no urban criminals here to riot. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a fan of Occams razor, and I'm certainly no racist.
So if it's irrelevant, exactly how is it irrelevant. If you sit down to discuss something with someone who is "crazy" (by your statements) are you going to seriously and honestly evaluate their statements and concerns over ideas you have? If not then what's the point of having a discussion at all?
I shot a Desert Eagle one time. Some kids at the range had rented it and were goofing off and asked if I wanted to take a shot.
They had holes all over the target, but not even one in the color. So I took it, and BOOM, center of mass.
But it's heavy as hell and kicks like a moose, definitely not a practical self defense weapon. Only good for fun at the range.
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