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Blame failure on discrimination sells very well with the low information voter. Obama never mentioned much if anything about hard work, saving, stay in school, self-reliance....those things make people independent from the government and Liberals don't want that type of voter.
Nice.
Are you a Romney speechwriter?
Or do you only write his speeches for fundraisers.?
conservatives pull this discussion over and over again, but they never answer the simple question that under girds their entire point.
Is there equality of opportunity and if there isn't what are conservatives doing to ensure it exists?
This is the crux of the issue. Does America have equality of opportunity for all Americans and if not what are conservatives doing to get us there?
This is the only relevant question to ask any conservative that brings this topic up. They won't answer it because they know first there isn't equality of opportunity, and they are perfectly ok with that fact.
The goal is a livable wage, good/safe schools for children, health care that won't make you decide between it or eating, an environment(also known as Mother Earth) that has an equal chance to survive(we need clean water/air/food/etc), a female to earn a days wage equal to that of her male colleague......many many more to list. Also, there is no "end game".
................ and your best chance for those goals is a capitalistic system with minimal government influence. If your contention of more government is correct, why is North Korea, Cuba, and the former USSR not the sources of individual prosperity for the world? Only when China embraced concepts of capitalism did they begin to emerge from darkness.
History has shown us that socialism fails in every venue. Liberals have been duped into destroying the system that has produced the highest productivity and opportunities in the history of man. In every system, there will be winners and losers. Even in socialism, the current "losers" of society will still be losers.
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So do you agree that equal work should result in equal pay? There is no excuse for any disparities it that. I put my 40 hours in and I expect to be paid the same as the person next to me who put theirs in as well.
Not necessarily - I believe quality and time in position need to be factored in.
Much is made about the glass ceiling however women often take a number of years off when their children are young then are grandfathered back in to their previous positions and complain they are underpaid compared to male contemporaries who have greater seniority due to not having that 3-5 year hiatus.
Exactly, if Walmart can gain privately as much as they wish while we "the taxpayer" get to support their under-payed, underworked(keeping their employees below hours) via food stamps, healthcare, free lunches for their kids(you the taxpayer paying for that again), why shouldn't Walmart, right? I mean, why ask for a livable wage that would take care of most of the burden on the average taxpayer? That sounds ludicrous, am I right? Economics isn't your strong suit is it?
So rather than promote education to better their skills and get higher paying jobs, you would rather the government just keep bumping up the min wage so they can live a middle class lifestyle ?
Good post. There are studies showing that economic inequality correlates with signs of social distress such as high rates of addiction, violence, teen pregnancy, STDs, divorce etc ---all problems that the U.S. has.
High economic inequality also correlates with religiosity, i.e. highly unequal countries like the U.S. have high levels of religiosity whereas countries like Sweden which are more equal have low levels of religiosity. The question would be does religiosity lead to social strife or does social strife cause people to feel insecure and stressed and turn to religion? There are some indications it is the latter.
So if everyone made $60K a year we'd be rid of all the social problems ?
................ and your best chance for those goals is a capitalistic system with minimal government influence. If your contention of more government is correct, why is North Korea, Cuba, and the former USSR not the sources of individual prosperity for the world? Only when China embraced concepts of capitalism did they begin to emerge from darkness.
History has shown us that socialism fails in every venue. Liberals have been duped into destroying the system that has produced the highest productivity and opportunities in the history of man. In every system, there will be winners and losers. Even in socialism, the current "losers" of society will still be losers.
Well, i'll throw a little bacon your way since you appear to be hungry. Do you think we(America) have more resources at our disposal than those other countries you named? Think about that, first. Then, i'll educate you a bit more. Baby steps, my friend. Baby steps.
Could it be that our founding fathers (being the pesky liberals that they were) delineated equal rights as our purpose to exist as a new and seperate nation?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...."
Just a guess.
How did that morph into financial equality though ?
Why is the underlying theme that everyone in the US has to be middle class and if you can't achieve it on your own then the government should step in and either create mandates to make it so or subsidize the lifestyle for you ?
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