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With their current platform of being anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-minorities, anti-immigrant, anti-poor people, pro -military and most importantly pro-obstructionist , the party of "no", the party of "do nothing"---- I don't think the GOP has a chance to regain the White House until they make some major changes.
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I wish they were just one-liners. Unfortunately the GOP's lack of regard for those groups have deep insidious roots in the party that will be difficult for them to overcome. They can't just act like a party of inclusion ---they actually have to start including more people, or risk representing an ever-smaller sliver of the nation.
Look how the tune was changed.
First the GOP was "anti-everything". Then it became simple "disregard".
But why should the various interest groups listed be singled out? Women, gay, minority and etc. will not be assisted by singling them out. They will be assisted by simply including them in the American economy and experience.
Which is what is actually happening.
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Look how the tune was changed.
First the GOP was "anti-everything". Then it became simple "disregard".
Actually, they're just different notes of the same song. It's fairly common for a group of people, upon first meeting a person (or type of person) to gang up on a person, then disregard them when they have their fun. It's the same social dynamic that happens in bullying. Somebody once said "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference".
Look how the tune was changed.
First the GOP was "anti-everything". Then it became simple "disregard".
But why should the various interest groups listed be singled out? Women, gay, minority and etc. will not be assisted by singling them out. They will be assisted by simply including them in the American economy and experience.
Which is what is actually happening.
No one can see 30 to 40 years into the future.
Yes and no.
1. We can accurately predict what registered voters will look like in 30-40 years based on race and educational attainment.
2. We can run computer simulations using previous elections as baselines to see how future election results would change even if all groups voted in the same percentages as before.
3. We can run an infinite number of scenarios based upon different voter shifts.
Does it accurately reflect what will happen in thirty to forty years? Perhaps not, but it certainly shows the effect of demographic change on politics unless there is a massive political change among the different voting blocs.
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I wish that were true, but the swamp dwelling RINO is a tough creature to make extinct. They, like their welfare state Democrat brothers and sisters, are like cockroaches.
I wish he could destroy the party and let an actual opposing force to welfare state socialism rise from the GOP's ashes, but alas, he isn't as adept at total destruction as hoped.
We have always had long periods of oscillation between the two parties in the US political system. So it would not be particularly surprising to see that swing back to the Left. However, there are several wild cards in today's scenario that are unprecedented.
1) Technology: We really have no clue about the effects that Information Age technologies will have on our political system. It has the potential to destroy it, enhance it or alter it in ways we cannot even imagine. It is a experiment underway with the citizens of the USA as the guinea pigs.
2) Enemies of the West: Using the tools in (1), our enemies have a opportunity like never before to influence our political process and to infiltrate our cultural interchange in order to divide and weaken us. We have no idea how destructive these attacks may be in the future - but it has been very effective for Russia so far. The future risk to our political system is a complete unknown.
3) Aftershocks of Trump: One day, either in 2021 or in 2025 the Trump Administration will be a footnote in American history. We really don't have a clue whether the USA will emerge from the DJT reign with our democratic systems intact, or whether the Trump era will be an inflection point, the first swerve into a new age of 21st century authoritarianism. Future Presidents will either exploit the weaknesses in our Constitutional underpinnings that Trump has uncovered, or they will work to fix them. It is anyone's guess.
2) Enemies of the West: ....... to infiltrate our cultural interchange in order to divide and weaken us. We have no idea how destructive these attacks may be in the future - but it has been very effective for Russia so far.
3) We really don't have a clue whether the USA will emerge from the DJT reign with our democratic systems intact,
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1) Very effective? I think that is a divisive partisan talking point right up there with millions and millions of illegals voting. Personally I think it's silly to think that Russian trolls were some massive influence when Hillary had a couple hundred million more in campaign money and most Democratic strategists point to her campaign as being horribly run. The irony that you cite this while complaining about dividing us while you carry water for them is enormous and saddening.
2) The end of democracy in the US? You really wrote that? Again...complaining about Russian trolls dividing us and then making a post like that is absolutely one of the oddest posts I've ever read on this forum.
With their current platform of being anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-minorities, anti-immigrant, anti-poor people, pro -military and most importantly pro-obstructionist , the party of "no", the party of "do nothing"---- I don't think the GOP has a chance to regain the White House until they make some major changes.
This has to be the most ignorant proclamation of the new century.
With their current platform of being anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-minorities, anti-immigrant, anti-poor people, pro -military and most importantly pro-obstructionist , the party of "no", the party of "do nothing"---- I don't think the GOP has a chance to regain the White House until they make some major changes.
You have described the DNC to a "T" while PROJECTING it upon the GOP. Classic liberal tactic, and EPIC FAIL.
Going back to the start of Abraham Lincoln's presidency, which is when the two-party system we know today first started, there have been two extended periods of Republican dominance in the White House, and one period of Democrat dominance.
For 72 years from 1861 to 1933, the United States had 52 years of Republican presidency, and only 20 years of Democrat presidency between three presidents (Andrew Johnson, Grover Cleveland, Woodrow Wilson). The end of this era came with the ouster of Herbert Hoover.
For 36 years from 1933 to 1969, the United States had 28 years of Democrat presidency, and Dwight Eisenhower had the only eight years of Republican presidency during this time. This era ended when Lyndon B. Johnson chose not to run for reelection.
More recently, for 40 years from 1969 to 2009, the Republicans had the upper hand again, with 28 years of the presidency to only 12 years for the Democrats (Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton). It appears to me that this era has ended with George W. Bush's second term.
Right now, I believe that we've entered a second period of Democrat dominance. Why? Because Herbert Hoover, Lyndon B. Johnson and George W. Bush were all highly unpopular when they left office. Hoover was unpopular because of an economic calamity. Johnson was unpopular because of a controversial war. Bush was unpopular because of an economic calamity and a controversial war.
It took the Republicans a generation to recover from Hoover's bad reputation, and it took the Democrats a generation to recover from Johnson's bad reputation. Rightly or wrongly, Bush has a bad reputation, and I wonder if it'll take a generation for the Republicans to recover from it.
With that said, it's worth noting that the less popular political party has put at least one president into the White House for two terms during the dominance of the opposite party. Grover Cleveland and Woodrow Wilson were both two-term Democrats during a long era of Republican dominance. Dwight Eisenhower was a two-term Republican when the Democrats had the upper hand, and Bill Clinton was a two-term Democrat during the most recent Republican era.
The longest period of time that one political party has had control of the White House is 20 years, when the Democrats had it from 1933 to 1953. There were two 16-year periods of one-party control, both by the Republicans, from 1869 to 1885, and 1897 to 1913. Other than that, neither party has been in control for more than 12 years at a time, which illustrates that Americans don't tolerate continuous one-party rule well.
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Cool theory, bro. But I wouldn't count any chickens before they hatch. Especially with so many Dem contenders competing with each other. And you're not taking into consideration the wild card that vote suppression represents.
edit: oops, 6-yr-old thread. Do we really need to revive this waste-of-time? *sighhhh*.
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Do we really need to revive this waste-of-time? *sighhhh*.
