Draconian Gun Legislation Proposed (extremist, Alabama, AR15, murder)

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

A. The chances of someone coming into my house at night while my family is asleep is ZERO That is what barking dogs prevent.
B. The chance of me sliding out the back door to run over to the neighbor's to call 911 is ZERO
Any reasonable father husband would be the last one out the door.
There are no neighbors to run to
There is no reason to run to the neighbors to call 911 since most people have their cellphones by their side 24/7, I don't, but the rest of my family does.
If, by some remote possibility someone decided to come down our 600 foot driveway of mystery in the dark, and got by the attack trained Golden Retrievers Lilly and Anna, and their back up, Winchester, I would blast away at them with my...... shotgun!! Now, your shot gun should hold the following, two shells of grouse shot, which let the perp know that they have a problem, and pose little danger to the neighbors, backed up by heavy shot, just in case the perps did not lie down grovel with the grouse shot. But that will get you into a fight with your wife over who is going to clean all the guts off the wall. But, Heck, we haven't locked a door in 30 years.

Sucks to live in fear, and being liberals, we don't.

You have a of being a victim of a home invasion.

Do you smoke? Drink Alcohol? Eat meat? A million Americans die every year of disease caused by smoking and drinking and eating fatty food, yet I bet you do all that.

I am glad you live in a safe area, some of us are not as lucky. Some people rent and cannot have dogs. You can choose not to have a gun, I'm not forcing you or anyone else to have one.

Just don't try and stop me or anyone else that chooses to have a gun from having one.

[Huckleberry3911948]

its not a gun legislation its a gun grab have predicted it since i got on CDF.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Now, your shot gun should hold the following, two shells of grouse shot, which let the perp know that they have a problem, and pose little danger to the neighbors, backed up by heavy shot, just in case the perps did not lie down grovel with the grouse shot.

I actually like the new, non-lethals on the market for the first, very fast, shot or two. After that, escalation of force. Just had the carpets cleaned so my wife wouldn't appreciate a mess.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Not a gun nut but been shooting since age six, spent eight years on atcive duty as an infantryman and another eight years as a cop. Know guns well enough to know that my neighbors (whom you invoked) are more than two sheets of wallboard away from us (but we don't live in a cardboard shanty) and to also know that your "need" for 15-17 inches of penetration is spurious and mirth-provoking. This isn't about your porno dreams!

This is precisely why you "gun nuts" give us responsible gun owners and sports shooters a bad name and make the issues more difficult.

That is what the FBI recommends for bullet penetration. Shooting is a hobby for me, that is why I spend the time to know and understand the various aspects of it.
I am a very responsible gun owner, I follow the law completely, I shoot safely and wear appropriate ear and eye protect. I also spread the sport through local events and take new shooters to the range and foot the bill constantly. But I guess that make me a "gun nut" to be scorned.

[.highnlite]

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Originally Posted by shooting4life

I am glad you live in a safe area, some of us are not as lucky.

Not true, you choose where you live. Life is too short to screw that up.



Some people rent and cannot have dogs.

Don't rent where you can't have dogs, seems pretty simple, why anyone with children would want to live with out a dog, baffles me. and if you can afford to rent, you can afford to buy, see above.



You can choose not to have a gun, I'm not forcing you or anyone else to have one.

You can make smart choices. I figure, between my wife and kids and myself, we probably have more weapons than you, or anyone but Chris Dorner.. but we have never seen the need to own a promiscuously firing weapon, large than my daddies old .22. The idea that an assault weapon is a good personal defense weapon is utter pure NRA nonsense.

I typically carry a large caliber pistol, when I am packing. Much easier to shoot an injured mule in the head than to beat it to death with a rock, but I have never thought carrying a weapon in a city was a good idea, course I have never thought doing anything in a city is a good idea.

Just don't try and stop me or anyone else that chooses to have a gun from having one.

Have I hinted or inferred or stated that I want to limit gun ownership? I do want people to make intelligent choices and not get hooked in by BS propaganda. And, if you have read Wayne La Perrier's latest diatribe you must also have realized, he has utterly lost his mind, don't follow in his footsteps.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

That is what the FBI recommends for bullet penetration. Shooting is a hobby for me, that is why I spend the time to know and understand the various aspects of it.

Might be why they carry 40 calibers. They have a job to do. Ideally, my job to protect hearth and home will never be put to a test. Of course, the greatest danger to an intruder could be my wife (she sports shoots too) or our two guard cats!

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Originally Posted by shooting4life
I am glad you live in a safe area, some of us are not as lucky.

Not true, you choose where you live. Life is too short to screw that up.



Some people rent and cannot have dogs.

Don't rent where you can't have dogs, seems pretty simple, why anyone with children would want to live with out a dog, baffles me. and if you can afford to rent, you can afford to buy, see above.



You can choose not to have a gun, I'm not forcing you or anyone else to have one.

You can make smart choices. I figure, between my wife and kids and myself, we probably have more weapons than you, or anyone but Chris Dorner.. but we have never seen the need to own a promiscuously firing weapon, large than my daddies old .22. The idea that an assault weapon is a good personal defense weapon is utter pure NRA nonsense.

I typically carry a large caliber pistol, when I am packing. Much easier to shoot an injured mule in the head than to beat it to death with a rock, but I have never thought carrying a weapon in a city was a good idea, course I have never thought doing anything in a city is a good idea.

Just don't try and stop me or anyone else that chooses to have a gun from having one.

Have I hinted or inferred or stated that I want to limit gun ownership? I do want people to make intelligent choices and not get hooked in by BS propaganda. And, if you have read Wayne La Perrier's latest diatribe you must also have realized, he has utterly lost his mind, don't follow in his footsteps.

You have mentioned you think people shouldn't have "assault rifles"

A lot of people can't afford the best and safest areas. I live in the best area I can afford but it still has crime.

Someone is currently on trial right now in San Mateo county for a home invasion then murder in Belmont Ca (where the houses cost between 700k and well over 1 million). Just because you pay a lot means does notean your safe.

Ar15 riffles have been used in self defense, a good example is during the Korean shop owners during the Rodney King riots.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzkBGQx3HAc
Here is a video where a teen used his dads ar15 for self defense

Boy Uses Dad's AR-15 to Shoot Invader - YouTube

It is fine that you don't want to have a semi automatic rifle, but don't stop me from having one.

And by the way, I don't live my life in fear, I just want to be able to protect myself and my family.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

That is what the FBI recommends for bullet penetration. Shooting is a hobby for me, that is why I spend the time to know and understand the various aspects of it.
I am a very responsible gun owner, I follow the law completely, I shoot safely and wear appropriate ear and eye protect. I also spread the sport through local events and take new shooters to the range and foot the bill constantly. But I guess that make me a "gun nut" to be scorned.

Added a bit there, did ya?

Promulgating youth shooting and safety is a good thing. However, beating the drum for large calibers, heavy loads, penetration stats, "watch your back, the gun snatchers are coming so tool up" begins to be paranoia.

We own guns. We shoot regularly. I can carry if I wish to but rarely do. It's no big thing and I don't want any of it to become one. That Washington (not George, the city) is unbalanced doesn't mean the rest of us have to be.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Added a bit there, did ya?

Promulgating youth shooting and safety is a good thing. However, beating the drum for large calibers, heavy loads, penetration stats, "watch your back, the gun snatchers are coming so tool up" begins to be paranoia.

We own guns. We shoot regularly. I can carry if I wish to but rarely do. It's no big thing and I don't want any of it to become one. That Washington (not George, the city) is unbalanced doesn't mean the rest of us have to be.

Where I live carry permits are not issued, so it is not an option for me. Because I am educated does not make me crazy, it just make me educated.

[Curmudgeon]

OK! Enough. We can let it go at that, alright?