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An arms race has begun between civilians and the government. Civilians are arming up, government is doing so as well. Only one thing lurks in all of their minds: civil war.
I believe they are intentionally creating a scarcity for the civilian market since they know there is zero chance of any laws being passed banning the sale of ammo.
Yet another unconstitutional action from this criminally corrupt government.
What the hell is really driving this massive buy??
"The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America."
This has already been explained. They have a number of training facilities around the country and each facility serves to train and certify people from a number of different agencies.
There is no conspiracy. They are not preparing for war.
They just want our law enforcement people to know how to operate their firearms.
This has already been explained. They have a number of training facilities around the country and each facility serves to train and certify people from a number of different agencies.
There is no conspiracy. They are not preparing for war.
They just want our law enforcement people to know how to operate their firearms.
Crazy people don't accept reality. The ones who want a civil war, will end up being live target practice for those who serve the country by working for the Department of Homeland security.
This has already been explained. They have a number of training facilities around the country and each facility serves to train and certify people from a number of different agencies.
There is no conspiracy. They are not preparing for war.
They just want our law enforcement people to know how to operate their firearms.
What? Those wacky talk show hosts and nutjob websites are misleading their sheep...again?
This has already been explained. They have a number of training facilities around the country and each facility serves to train and certify people from a number of different agencies.
There is no conspiracy. They are not preparing for war.
They just want our law enforcement people to know how to operate their firearms.
If the DHS used as much ammo as the military did in the busiest month during the war in Iraq they would have enough ammo for 30 years. The DHS does not use as much ammo as the American forces in Iraq, so why do they need this much ammo? What sort of training are they doing?
What the hell is really driving this massive buy??
"The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America."
2. already answered.....
btw DHS has 250,000 employees, which most are required to zero and quailfy with their weapon semi-annually (2x a year)
1.4 Billion rounds of ammunition? = NOT A LARGE AMOUNT.
All federal agencies buy TONS of ammunition for training, qualifications, and yes, likely minor stockpiles (even agencies have to be prepared for foreign trade disagreements which can lead to cost increases or lack of availability of ammunition, or the components to build it).
There are hundreds of federal law enforcement agencies, employing several million officers/agents. Most federal law enforcement agencies qualify, at minimum, four times a year. Training and academies require even more (I fired 3,000 rounds of .40S&W (gasp, hollow points!) over a 5 month period. My class had fifty students, so 3,000x50 = 150,000 rounds...and the academy had 15-20 classes on hand at any one time.
Let's do the math of simple active agents in the Border Patrol for example. Depending on the year, we'll go with roughly 15,000 field agents. Now those agents only shoot quals four times a year, but that's about 120 rounds each (72 for qual, and drills).
15,000x120 = 1,800,000....four times a year = 7,200,000 rounds of ammunition fired by the agency per year. That's JUST one agency, without including its academy classes, or special units (SRT, NSRT, BORTAC, BORSTAR, etc. who all do a boat-load of firearms practice).
On top of this, for each qual, every single agent was issued 300 rounds. This was provided so that you could do extra training without paying for ammunition (which can get expensive). So you can actually double that number to roughly 15,000,000 rounds of ammunition issued to agents in the field each year.
^This number is also ONLY primary handgun ammunition. Agents qualify with Shotguns, and M4's as well. The specialty units use a variety of other firearms in addition.
Does anyone who posts these articles, or regurgitates them have any logistical experience whatsoever? Or are these the same idiots who think that a person owning 1,000 rounds of ammunition has a "dangerous stockpile!". I absolutely hate tin-foil jackasses who gab on and on about something they obviously have zero experience in. Methinks if these people saw the numbers on ammunition issued/produced for the military they would sh_t themselves blind.
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24 year war???????
According to the GAO we used something like 1.8 billion rounds of small arms ammo a year in Iraq,
Well, ammo manufactuers may have to deny sales to the government on the grounds that they're working against their best interests. Many gun companies are refusing sales to many counties, states and agencies for the same reasons.
The Constitution says that the people, the citizens, have a right to own and bear arms, it doesn't say anything about the government being able to, beyond the military.
Well, ammo manufactuers may have to deny sales to the government on the grounds that they're working against their best interests. Many gun companies are refusing sales to many counties, states and agencies for the same reasons.
The Constitution says that the people, the citizens, have a right to own and bear arms, it doesn't say anything about the government being able to, beyond the military.
I'll side with the elected government of the people, not some right-wing idiots that can't accept the outcome of an election.
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