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btw DHS has 250,000 employees, which most are required to zero and quailfy with their weapon semi-annually (2x a year)
1.4 Billion rounds of ammunition? = NOT A LARGE AMOUNT.
All federal agencies buy TONS of ammunition for training, qualifications, and yes, likely minor stockpiles (even agencies have to be prepared for foreign trade disagreements which can lead to cost increases or lack of availability of ammunition, or the components to build it).
There are hundreds of federal law enforcement agencies, employing several million officers/agents. Most federal law enforcement agencies qualify, at minimum, four times a year. Training and academies require even more (I fired 3,000 rounds of .40S&W (gasp, hollow points!) over a 5 month period. My class had fifty students, so 3,000x50 = 150,000 rounds...and the academy had 15-20 classes on hand at any one time.
Let's do the math of simple active agents in the Border Patrol for example. Depending on the year, we'll go with roughly 15,000 field agents. Now those agents only shoot quals four times a year, but that's about 120 rounds each (72 for qual, and drills).
15,000x120 = 1,800,000....four times a year = 7,200,000 rounds of ammunition fired by the agency per year. That's JUST one agency, without including its academy classes, or special units (SRT, NSRT, BORTAC, BORSTAR, etc. who all do a boat-load of firearms practice).
On top of this, for each qual, every single agent was issued 300 rounds. This was provided so that you could do extra training without paying for ammunition (which can get expensive). So you can actually double that number to roughly 15,000,000 rounds of ammunition issued to agents in the field each year.
^This number is also ONLY primary handgun ammunition. Agents qualify with Shotguns, and M4's as well. The specialty units use a variety of other firearms in addition.
Does anyone who posts these articles, or regurgitates them have any logistical experience whatsoever? Or are these the same idiots who think that a person owning 1,000 rounds of ammunition has a "dangerous stockpile!". I absolutely hate tin-foil jackasses who gab on and on about something they obviously have zero experience in. Methinks if these people saw the numbers on ammunition issued/produced for the military they would sh_t themselves blind.
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24 year war???????
According to the GAO we used something like 1.8 billion rounds of small arms ammo a year in Iraq,
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and really alex jones...
I suppose the question here that begs to be answered is; why we need a quarter million man
Para-military Federal goon squad to begin with? The answer is simple, we do not.
DHS spends the vast majority of its time harassing, intimidating, and spying on US citizens.
It is time for American citizens to write their representatives and tell them they support defunding DHS and will vote accordingly.
well, the ammo makers such as Winchester Olin are making over 1 billion rounds of ammo a week currently, and the feds are not the only ones stocking up. the people are stocking up quite nicely as well. lots of people have millions of their own cartridges as well. when you add up all the peoples ammunition compared to what the feds have, you will find that the peoples supply way outnumbers the feds by far.
if we go by what you state for what the military was shooting during the Iraq war, I can go for 4.3 days.
times that by 3,000,000 people and you will see who outnumbers who.
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well, the ammo makers such as Winchester Olin are making over 1 billion rounds of ammo a week currently,
cite a source.
others may take your numbers Hook, line, and sinker, but I want sources.
The only people who have ammunition now are those that stockpiled prior to the governments order... There are black market sales going on and ammunition has skyrocketed... Ammunition just isn't in supply and won't be as long as the government keeps buying it up. You can't even buy gunpowder for reloading at the moment. I have my supply, but if you didn't have it before this crap started, you don't have much. What shows up on the shelves, vanishes almost immediately.
Even the head of the NRA says that the problem is buyers hoarding and gougers trying to turn a quick buck....and not the US Govt buying up all the ammo.
He cited an example of a friend that excitedly called him because he managed to buy a bunch of ammo boxes. He noted they were a calibre his friend didn't even own.
Gun prices are ridiculously high too. Heck, my dad's buddy sold off about 30 guns at prices too high to pass up.
This article uses the bullet tax rate to explain demand and at current levels the annualized tax is almost $600mil which would equate to retail bullet sales of around 10billion (about triple what it was back in 2009).
Assuming a retail cost per bullet of 20 cents and you'd have 50 billion bullets a year.
In short, there is a bunch of hoarding and wild speculation going on with both guns and bullets.
Anybody over the age of 30 should know what will eventually happen.
I suppose the question here that begs to be answered is; why we need a quarter million man
Para-military Federal goon squad to begin with? The answer is simple, we do not.
DHS spends the vast majority of its time harassing, intimidating, and spying on US citizens.
It is time for American citizens to write their representatives and tell them they support defunding DHS and will vote accordingly.
To keep the nutjobs on their toes and make sure they are too afraid to leave the comfort of the homes to start this war they keep talking about.
According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. That's sufficient firepower to shoot every American about five times. Including illegal immigrants.
To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war.
How is it possible that you care about how many bullets the gov't buys, yet don't bat an eye to the billions spent on drones, bombs, aircrafts, etc.?
If the US gov't is really going to go all tyrannical, you really believe bullets are going to be the weapon that's going to be overpower the citizens...?
Yep. Those drones, bombs and aircraft didn't do the job in Iraq or Afghan now did they. Maybe you should pay more attention to what is going on than hitting yourself in the head??
Yep. Those drones, bombs and aircraft didn't do the job in Iraq or Afghan now did they. Maybe you should pay more attention to what is going on than hitting yourself in the head??
So you think that if the US ever turns tyrannical, they're just going to leave the drones, bombs, and aircrafts off the board.
US Gov't: There's a bunch of militia-men hiding in the mountains. Should we just carpet bomb that entire area?
Pres: No. Let's leave the planes in the hangars. Send in the security guards from DHS. And make sure they get EXTRA bullets.
Holy F#$*... that's really what you think the threat is?! Not the BILLIONS we've spent on all kinds of people-killing machines and weapons over the years. But bullets.
Anybody with a functioning brain knows they are coming for us, it's just a matter of when. What is going to be the engineered crisis that gets this rolling.
The economy is not coming back, they are just placating us with words. The stock market will collapse, perhaps that is the trigger. Perhaps it's the next laboratory induced epidemic. tick tock
As I understand it the govt runs out of money ......again in October. AND Obama has it planed ahead for a emergency of 'unprecedented proportion'
Let us all hope so
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in October. AND Obama has it planed ahead for a emergency of 'unprecedented proportion'
