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Old 03-11-2013, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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“At the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. 1.6 billion rounds, therefore, would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America,” states the article.
“Why, indeed, should the federal government not be deploying armored personnel carriers and stockpiling enough ammo for a 20-year war in the homeland? Because it’s wrong in every way,” writes Benko.

Not according to the likes of Media Matters, Huffington Post, the Atlantic Wire and others, all of which claimed the issue was “debunked” merely because a DHS spokesperson told the Associated Press that the ammo buys were made in bulk to “save money” on training bullets. As Benko points out, the federal agency has bought enough bullets to last for a century of target practice.

In reality, most of the bullets purchased by the agency are hollow point rounds, which are more expensive than standard training bullets and therefore unsuitable for target practice. Last week, former Marine Richard Mason told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Those outlets reporting that the issue had been explained also failed to clarify how a single quotation from a representative of the very government agency being scrutinized could possibly mean that the matter had been adequately investigated and “debunked.”
Prison Planet.com » DHS To Purchase MORE Firearms As Arms Build-Up Intensifies
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:56 PM
 
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Although controversy surrounding the DHS’ purchase of some 2 billion rounds of ammunition has dominated concerns about the federal government’s apparent arms build up, the DHS also purchased 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles last September.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:09 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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“At the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. 1.6 billion rounds, therefore, would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America,” states the article.
“Why, indeed, should the federal government not be deploying armored personnel carriers and stockpiling enough ammo for a 20-year war in the homeland? Because it’s wrong in every way,” writes Benko.

Not according to the likes of Media Matters, Huffington Post, the Atlantic Wire and others, all of which claimed the issue was “debunked” merely because a DHS spokesperson told the Associated Press that the ammo buys were made in bulk to “save money” on training bullets. As Benko points out, the federal agency has bought enough bullets to last for a century of target practice.

In reality, most of the bullets purchased by the agency are hollow point rounds, which are more expensive than standard training bullets and therefore unsuitable for target practice. Last week, former Marine Richard Mason told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Those outlets reporting that the issue had been explained also failed to clarify how a single quotation from a representative of the very government agency being scrutinized could possibly mean that the matter had been adequately investigated and “debunked.”
Prison Planet.com » DHS To Purchase MORE Firearms As Arms Build-Up Intensifies
They don't use hollow points in the military because of the Hague Convention.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:12 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Although controversy surrounding the DHS’ purchase of some 2 billion rounds of ammunition has dominated concerns about the federal government’s apparent arms build up, the DHS also purchased 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles last September.
When the government buys those deadly assault killing machines they are called "personal defense weapons"

Apparently, when YOU hold an AR-15, it's an "assault rifle." But magically, if you hand that same rifle to an armed government homeland security enforcer, it instantly transforms itself into a "personal defense weapon."

But Biden says an ar15 isn't good for defense, DHS should be buying double barrel shotguns and fire warning shots through the door.
DHS buys 7000 full-auto assault rifles, calls them 'personal defense weapons'
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:28 PM
 
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I do know someone that did in fact buy himself a Mig-29. he just had to remove the hardpoints on the plane before flying it back to the USA from russia.

seems that you can buy almost anything there if you have enough money.
I saw a show on some documentary channel about people who collect tanks. I don't think the armaments are capable of firing though. The show itself was kind of boring but I found the idea of being a tank collector kind of interesting. Not exactly like collecting stamps or coins.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:30 PM
 
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“At the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. 1.6 billion rounds, therefore, would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America,” states the article.
“Why, indeed, should the federal government not be deploying armored personnel carriers and stockpiling enough ammo for a 20-year war in the homeland? Because it’s wrong in every way,” writes Benko.

Not according to the likes of Media Matters, Huffington Post, the Atlantic Wire and others, all of which claimed the issue was “debunked” merely because a DHS spokesperson told the Associated Press that the ammo buys were made in bulk to “save money” on training bullets. As Benko points out, the federal agency has bought enough bullets to last for a century of target practice.

In reality, most of the bullets purchased by the agency are hollow point rounds, which are more expensive than standard training bullets and therefore unsuitable for target practice. Last week, former Marine Richard Mason told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Those outlets reporting that the issue had been explained also failed to clarify how a single quotation from a representative of the very government agency being scrutinized could possibly mean that the matter had been adequately investigated and “debunked.”
Prison Planet.com » DHS To Purchase MORE Firearms As Arms Build-Up Intensifies
Interesting how the liberals are supposedly the ones against weapons and fighting and want to lower the military and all that, but it's a bunch of liberal sites that are defending this arms purchase.
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Anybody with a functioning brain knows they are coming for us, it's just a matter of when. What is going to be the engineered crisis that gets this rolling.
The economy is not coming back, they are just placating us with words. The stock market will collapse, perhaps that is the trigger. Perhaps it's the next laboratory induced epidemic. tick tock

Video: Intel Analyst Describes NWO Takeover Of The US | Pakalert Press
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:23 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Anybody with a functioning brain knows they are coming for us, it's just a matter of when. What is going to be the engineered crisis that gets this rolling.
The economy is not coming back, they are just placating us with words. The stock market will collapse, perhaps that is the trigger. Perhaps it's the next laboratory induced epidemic. tick tock

Video: Intel Analyst Describes NWO Takeover Of The US | Pakalert Press
You'd better clutch your guns and start sweating!
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:38 PM
 
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stockpiled????....nope used


btw DHS has 250,000 employees, which most are required to zero and quailfy with their weapon semi-annually (2x a year)

1.4 Billion rounds of ammunition? = NOT A LARGE AMOUNT.

All federal agencies buy TONS of ammunition for training, qualifications, and yes, likely minor stockpiles (even agencies have to be prepared for foreign trade disagreements which can lead to cost increases or lack of availability of ammunition, or the components to build it).

There are hundreds of federal law enforcement agencies, employing several million officers/agents. Most federal law enforcement agencies qualify, at minimum, four times a year. Training and academies require even more (I fired 3,000 rounds of .40S&W (gasp, hollow points!) over a 5 month period. My class had fifty students, so 3,000x50 = 150,000 rounds...and the academy had 15-20 classes on hand at any one time.

Let's do the math of simple active agents in the Border Patrol for example. Depending on the year, we'll go with roughly 15,000 field agents. Now those agents only shoot quals four times a year, but that's about 120 rounds each (72 for qual, and drills).

15,000x120 = 1,800,000....four times a year = 7,200,000 rounds of ammunition fired by the agency per year. That's JUST one agency, without including its academy classes, or special units (SRT, NSRT, BORTAC, BORSTAR, etc. who all do a boat-load of firearms practice).

On top of this, for each qual, every single agent was issued 300 rounds. This was provided so that you could do extra training without paying for ammunition (which can get expensive). So you can actually double that number to roughly 15,000,000 rounds of ammunition issued to agents in the field each year.

^This number is also ONLY primary handgun ammunition. Agents qualify with Shotguns, and M4's as well. The specialty units use a variety of other firearms in addition.

Does anyone who posts these articles, or regurgitates them have any logistical experience whatsoever? Or are these the same idiots who think that a person owning 1,000 rounds of ammunition has a "dangerous stockpile!". I absolutely hate tin-foil jackasses who gab on and on about something they obviously have zero experience in. Methinks if these people saw the numbers on ammunition issued/produced for the military they would sh_t themselves blind.
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24 year war???????
According to the GAO we used something like 1.8 billion rounds of small arms ammo a year in Iraq,


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and really alex jones...
Many, if not most, of DHS employees don't carry guns, qualify or have anything to do with them in their official duties.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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You'd better clutch your guns and start sweating!
I am hoping for a peaceful resistance by the populace at large. When you see them coming for your neighbors, rather than run n hide, we stand up and say we aren't having this. I am also hoping that some of those given orders to raid our homes, will resist those orders and stand with us.
If enough of us stand together, they are defeated. That's what it will take. But we have to acknowledge what they are doing, first. Too many in denial, watching American Idol, and not paying any mind to our loss of freedoms, our loss of sovereignty.
The fact that Rand Paul stood alone against the assassination of American citizens on our soil - says the battle is already lost. People are too complacent, compliant, acquiessant, what have you. We stand together, or together we fall.
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