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The fact is that today, no matter how you behave, are educated and willing to work, it's became harder and harder to get a decent pay and start a family on your own, if compared with say 15 or 20 years ago, when it was easier.
We are not talking of loosers or uneducated people, if they don't find a job it's their fault but we're talking of normal guys here, like the op.
And if these kind of people see no future it means the problem is not invidual but rather political.
There too people who are rich, live well, have power etc despite no deserving those while there are too people, especially the youngers, who would deserve a high pay, a nice house etc but don't have
Unless they migrate to Canada or Australia...
the problem is political.
Hate to tell you this, but many in America wouldn't survive 1 year in Canada or Australia's work environment.
I think that's part of the problem too. We're being worked to death. Nobody in the entire world is overworked as much as us Yankees. Even the Japanese don't slave as hard as we do.
The main issue in my opinion is the price of real estate. People have to work hard to prevent being homeless. I consider flipping houses somewhat of a predatory profession since it makes it much harder for people to make a living, it's also part of what caused our economy to collapse.
Flipping houses employs contractors and generates busy paper pushing work that libs love at local municipalities. It also helps prevent stagnant houses from rotting away.
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Graduated with a BS in Econ in 2005
Started an entry level job in 2006 ($30,000/yr with possible bonuses of $12k total)
Worked hard
Got a promotion 4.5yrs later.
Been in management since late 2010.
I disagree. I am GenY (27 years old) and am doing fine. I got my foot in the door with a larger company, went to graduate school at night while working full time. After that I worked 75 hours/week on a 40 hour/week salary to build a skillset that was in need and finally, five years after graduating I got a very well paying job doing what I want to do. I just had to pay my dues for five years to get there. Most of my friends think I am insane to have such a time intensive schedule while at the same time wonder how I make the money I do. I don't see how they don't put 2 and 2 together.
Most people my age don't understand the concept of paying their dues...
I think you hit the nail on the head. A skillset is the key, and paying your dues to obtain it is an absolute requirement. It's too bad not enough young folks understand this.
Hate to tell you this, but many in America wouldn't survive 1 year in Canada or Australia's work environment.
Why?
Just said that because I see many from Europe are going to Canada and Australia, over there there are more space, rents are cheaper and wages higher.
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The fact is that today, no matter how you behave, are educated and willing to work, it's became harder and harder to get a decent pay and start a family on your own, if compared with say 15 or 20 years ago, when it was easier.
We are not talking of loosers or uneducated people, if they don't find a job it's their fault but we're talking of normal guys here, like the op.
And if these kind of people see no future it means the problem is not invidual but rather political.
There too people who are rich, live well, have power etc despite no deserving those while there are too people, especially the youngers, who would deserve a high pay, a nice house etc but don't have
Unless they migrate to Canada or Australia...
the problem is political.
Just how was it easier 15 or 20 years ago? 30? 40? Do kids today face the draft? Do new homeowner's have to deal with 15% interest rates? Do you remember 2.85 cents per hour minimum wage? I do. Free phones... what was that? I wanted a job, I had to type my resume out on an old manual typewriter and hand deliver it to the place I wanted a job. And hope that the other people on our party line kept off the phone long enough that I could get a call about an interview. We've all faced hardships... Gen Y will survive just like the rest of us did.
Why?
Just said that because I see many from Europe are going to Canada and Australia, over there there are more space, rents are cheaper and wages higher.
Have you looked at real estate prices in Toronto, Quebec, etc?
Europe is even harder than Canada to make a living, so maybe that's why you're seeing the migration.
Generation Yer's are simply having trouble adapting to the real world. They have grown up being told they are special. Their parents kept telling them they were special, as did their teachers right the way through their education. So as they move into the workplace, they then of course expect their employers to do the same.They have been continually rewarded (with merits, 'smiley faces', 'gold time' etc) for routine achievement - attending school on time, getting homework in on time, participating in class etc. So again they expect that the workplace will be the same, after all this reward culture is all they have ever known.As they have grown up being told they are special, feeling good about themselves is one of their core values. Upset their self esteem and they really start to feel uncomfortable.Since they were born, they have been studied, analysed, categorised, tested, socialised and celebrated. Their parents instilled the belief in them to search for and find fulfillment - whatever that actually looked like.They have been taught to expect alot from life - do something that they love to do, if they don't like it, just doing something else; expect a good salary and a comfortable lifestyle, and most importantly for them is that they expect people to respect them immediately.They get bored quickly. They are used to interacting with so many things at once - mobile, SMS, iPods Bebo and Facebook - that given just a few tasks to do in the workplace is not enough for them.With all the misguided rewards, that they have grown up with,they just don't know what it is like to fail, so for gen Y'ers failure is not an option. And most of them as studies and polls indicate, are liberal and are supportive of big government. Is anyone suprised?
I disagree. I am GenY (27 years old) and am doing fine. I got my foot in the door with a larger company, went to graduate school at night while working full time. After that I worked 75 hours/week on a 40 hour/week salary to build a skillset that was in need and finally, five years after graduating I got a very well paying job doing what I want to do. I just had to pay my dues for five years to get there. Most of my friends think I am insane to have such a time intensive schedule while at the same time wonder how I make the money I do. I don't see how they don't put 2 and 2 together.
Most people my age don't understand the concept of paying their dues...
THIS^^^^^
Sorry GenY person who thinks you cant make it. Here is a news flash. it has always been hard to get started.
I made less than $5K in 1995. It was HARD. my wife was happy she was making $8 an hour we were young and just starting out.
I worked like a dog and built a resume and a skill set and paid my dues. it took some time but we live a pretty nice middle class life.
Stop complaining and go out and be better than everyone else and put in the time. Its hard out there for everybody.
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