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Old 05-30-2013, 01:22 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Well, isn't the problem really that groups which/who claim to be charitable-humanitarian-church-etc. organizations, and claim to be tax exempt are really PAC organizations? You don't have a problem with that? You think a PAC masquerading as something different to avoid paying taxes is just okay huh?
Yes, that's what they think!
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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unfortunately many of these conservative groups are using the premise of a charity to cover their political ambitions and support. most probably should not have charity exemptions. I have no problem with them being evaluated.
Right, guilty until you prove yourself innocent, that's the American way.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:37 PM
 
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‘The only people that don’t want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide.” ]

Barack Obama.

"I" will not answer any of the questions or testify today

Lois Lerner.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:42 PM
 
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Well, isn't the problem really that groups which/who claim to be charitable-humanitarian-church-etc. organizations, and claim to be tax exempt are really PAC organizations? You don't have a problem with that? You think a PAC masquerading as something different to avoid paying taxes is just okay huh?
Hardly. But only targeting your enemy, as in conservative groups, is something everyone should have a problem with. But liberals will never understand that, until they are the ones targeted.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:43 PM
 
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It's the donors who avoid taxes with there tax free donations to their favorite politico, that's why the PAC is set up. That's true with the left and right, it's just that vast, vast majority of those PACs are right, hence more of them were impacted.
What a bunch of bull. First, I'd like to see where your proof of more being from the right is. Because I believe the opposite is true.

And if there was nothing out of the ordinary going on, whey did the IRS apologize?
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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Right, guilty until you prove yourself innocent, that's the American way.
I think that's a false analogy.

These groups weren't accused of a crime.

They applied for something, just like you applying for a job. Is a prospective employer supposed to assume that you are qualified for the job? Or is the prospective employer supposed to review your resume and references, and verify your qualifications?

A prospective employer who calls your references isn't acting as if you are guilty until proven innocent, that prospective employer is verifying that the information on your application is correct.

In the IRS "scandal", the IRS received applications from organizations for certain tax statuses. Those tax statuses are reserved for non-political organizations. The IRS's review of the application is exactly like the prospective employer's review of someone's resume. It was to determine if the applicant was qualified.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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There is no evidence that the IRS targeted citizens for their political beliefs. The IRS targeted liberal groups as well. They also didn't "audit" these groups. The IRS has a duty to assure that the applications for tax exempt status are legitimate, which means they have a right to question the applicant.

New Audit Allegations Show Flawed Statistical Thinking - NYTimes.com
Right, because using "Tea Party" isn't political at ALL. Do you liberals really believe the garbage you spew, or just how other people do?
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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Right, because using "Tea Party" isn't political at ALL. Do you liberals really believe the garbage you spew, or just how other people do?
THAT's the point. TEA PARTY is political, isn't it? The tax-exempt statuses are for organizations that are NOT political. The IRS is by law charged with verifying that these organizations are NOT political. So an organization that uses a political phrase, like TEA PARTY, in their name, might just be political. And applying for a tax status which disqualifies political organizations.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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I think that's a false analogy.
You are entitled to your opinion.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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THAT's the point. TEA PARTY is political, isn't it? The tax-exempt statuses are for organizations that are NOT political. The IRS is by law charged with verifying that these organizations are NOT political. So an organization that uses a political phrase, like TEA PARTY, in their name, might just be political. And applying for a tax status which disqualifies political organizations.
4c groups are allowed to engage in political activity. There are liberal 4c groups that do the same thing but they were not singled out with their approval held up.
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