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Old 06-03-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Ginsburg was a dissenter, with Scalia.

Routine DNA Testing After Arrest Upheld by Top U.S. Court - Bloomberg


And Kennedy is a Reagan appointee.
I corrected my post because I had mistakenly included Justice Ginsburg on the majority side.

What does being a Reagan appointee have to do with anything? Justice Stevens and Justice Souter were Republican appointees - are you going to claim that they were conservative justices?

Kennedy's records shows that he is not a conservative - he is the swing vote and likely the center of the court now that Justice O'Connor is gone - but he does tend to lean to the left more often than not.

Justice O'Connor - another Reagan appointee - was also not a conservative justice.

The only conservative justice President Reagan managed to put on the SC was Justice Scalia.

Too bad Mr. Bork was viciously attacked by the left - he would have been a great justice.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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I am shocked at people supporting this ruling. Taking your DNA is not like taking your finger prints this is a horrible comparison.

So if the police stop you for jay walking can they demand a swab of your DNA?

If the police stop you for disorderly conduct can they demand a swab of your DNA?

It could solve crimes that are currently unsolved because the criminals DNA isn't in the system, but as a young man I had too much contact with the police harassing me for no reason, to give them more power to be more invasive.

We are giving the police too much power in this nation.

Think about the groups of Americans that are targeted regularly by the police.

There are certain groups of people who have regular contact with the police based on where they live, their age, race, and aggressive police tactics.

Soon their DNA will be on file somewhere even if they have not broken the law, while wealthier, whiter, and older people's DNA will not.

It is easy to see the logic in this decision if you know its not your DNA that the police will be taking. If you happen to be in one of the groups who are regularly targeted for increased police scrutiny this is just another thing the police are allowed to do to you.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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I am shocked at people supporting this ruling. Taking your DNA is not like taking your finger prints this is a horrible comparison.

So if the police stop you for jay walking can they demand a swab of your DNA?

If the police stop you for disorderly conduct can they demand a swab of your DNA?

It could solve crimes that are currently unsolved because the criminals DNA isn't in the system, but as a young man I had too much contact with the police harassing me for no reason, to give them more power to be more invasive.

We are giving the police too much power in this nation.

Think about the groups of Americans that are targeted regularly by the police.

There are certain groups of people who have regular contact with the police based on where they live, their age, race, and aggressive police tactics.

Soon their DNA will be on file somewhere even if they have not broken the law, while wealthier, whiter, and older people's DNA will not.

It is easy to see the logic in this decision if you know its not your DNA that the police will be taking. If you happen to be in one of the groups who are regularly targeted for increased police scrutiny this is just another thing the police are allowed to do to you.

I've been arrested before, and it -doesn't bother me-.

Not even for the minor offenses.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:49 PM
 
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Yeah, this doesn't bother people until they are accused of their DNA showing up somewhere where it never was just to frame someone. The entire thing is a double edged sword. I can see them doing this AFTER conviction of certain crimes, but not before. Police can just make things up in order to fill the DNA database then say, Oh, sorry, you weren't who we were looking for, my bad.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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i agree with scalia.
I'm torn on this one but I'm going to side on Kennedy on this one.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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I've been arrested before, and it -doesn't bother me-.

Not even for the minor offenses.
Thanks, it bothers me.

Since the 1960's, the US has let the police become more militarized and aggressive against citizens. We allow the police to hold people for 2 or 3 days without charging them. We allow the police to lie to defendants. We allow the police to stop and frisk. We allow the police to go to areas and basically stop people fitting a certain racial profile. We have SWAT teams and very high powered weapons, stun guns can maim and kill and are used regularly.

This thing is just another step, just another nudge towards even more "freedom" for police officers to have carte blanche and they nearly do right now. Now these idiots can take my DNA just because they felt like it?

Nonsense.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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I see it has just anther identifier like photo and fingerprints after arrested .In time camera videoing people will be able to search database for facial feature developing now to identify suspects and wanted persons. kind of like those license plates scanner that can identify vehicles having no insurance; owner having warrants now instantly as you pass the par troll car .Not unreasonable search :IMO at all.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:58 PM
 
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I see it has just anther identifier like photo and fingerprints after arrested .In time camera videoing people will be able to search database for facial feature developing now to identify suspects and wanted persons. kind of like those license plates scanner that can identify vehicles having no insurance; owner having warrants now instantly as you pass the par troll car .Not unreasonable search :IMO at all.
Sure it is an unreasonable search. Someone driving by obeying all the laws did nothing wrong to warrant the scrutiny. Now if you're pulled over for something else, all is in play.
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Old 06-03-2013, 02:03 PM
 
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Its for the children.......
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Old 06-03-2013, 02:09 PM
 
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Sure it is an unreasonable search. Someone driving by obeying all the laws did nothing wrong to warrant the scrutiny. Now if you're pulled over for something else, all is in play.
Someone driving in public also has no expectation of privacy against a camera taking a picture of them, so it's a moot point.
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