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I "get" it. I've been against the Patriot Act since it's very inception. I've NEVER supported the Patriot Act. And this court order is a weapon that can be used against the Patriot Act. Sometimes you need to see the trees instead of focusing on the forest.
That's great, but conservatives do support the Patriot Act. You get that right. That conservatives cheerleaded the expansion of the surveillance state under GWB, and that Democrats remain, the only group with substantial members who were and are against the surveillance state.
As nation we need to understand where conservative ideology will lead us and these kinds of crappy policies conservatism supports.
Again, conservative supported the disastrous war in Iraq, conservatives supported torture, conservatives supported GITMO, supported not giving terrorists trials and just holding them indefinitely, conservatives supported the Patriot Act, conservatives supported the expansion of the surveillance state.
I won't stop the partisan blame game, because it is very important to understand where conservative ideology leads us.
Democrats were the only opposition to the Patriot in the beginning. Most Democratic voters NEVER supported the Patriot Act, conservative voters did and still do.
Most Democratic voters hated all of this stuff and many liberal organizations were yelling this is going to lead to spying on Americans. This was all said over a decade ago.
conservatives 100% supported all of these terrible policies that have lead us where we are. I will not forget that and I will always point it out.
Who cares what voters thought, it's what YOUR REPS thought that YOU VOTED FOR and MANY DEMS that the Left voted for support this.
That's great, but conservatives do support the Patriot Act. You get that right. That conservatives cheerleaded the expansion of the surveillance state under GWB, and that Democrats remain, the only group with substantial members who were and are against the surveillance state.
As nation we need to understand where conservative ideology will lead us and these kinds of crappy policies conservatism supports.
Again, conservative supported the disastrous war in Iraq, conservatives supported torture, conservatives supported GITMO, supported not giving terrorists trials and just holding them indefinitely, conservatives supported the Patriot Act, conservatives supported the expansion of the surveillance state.
This cannot be repeated enough.
conservatives supported these terrible policies.
Ok enough with you and your partisan hackery.. On ignore you go...
LOL and you believe "they" aka the same people spying on millions of Americans? Ha ha ha.
Yes because "they" are telling the truth. Uh huh.
Yeah, they tracked down the Bombers through telephone numbers.. YEAH RIGHT! How in the world would they have known it was them???? What a laugh. The Bombers were spotted in a photo and somebody ratted them out. Also, so if they supposedly found them through telephone numbers, which I seriously can't see how a number without the contents of the call and a name can accomplish that, doesn't that make the feds liars when they say they aren't collecting names and call contents? They would have to have that stuff in order to KNOW they had the right people. They can't use cell tower pings and location, there were thousands of people there using cell phones....
You are fooling yourself if you think the government will just give up that power. Progressives (R's and D's) are Tyrants, they will just spy on US more.
Well thanks to conservatives and their fear mongering about the war on terror, we will have to force the government to give up these powers and the ONLY way to do that is to STOP the war on terror, get out of afghanistan, close GITMO, kill the Patriot Act, once you do those things, then it becomes clear we are not at war and the government can't claim these powers.
conservatives don't want to do any of that. conservatives want to continue the war on terror, they want to keep GITMO open, they don't even want to get out of Afghanistan, and they don't want to kill the Patriot Act. conservatives love the surveillance state.
Then start voting 3rd party come national elections.
No substantial parts of the Democratic party opposed all of those things and did so for over 10 years.
I know this burns conservatives up, but liberals who were saying that these policies would be terrible, that the War in Iraq would be terrible, that we don't want to have indefinite detention and approve torture, because it leads to a more repressive government that spies on it citizens and violates their rights.
conservatives would have none of it, conservatives supported all of those crappy ideas. I'd say vote for some Democrats and some third party candidates and get rid of conservatism as a major governing ideology.
LOL and you believe "they" aka the same people spying on millions of Americans? Ha ha ha.
Yes because "they" are telling the truth. Uh huh.
It is nice to make claims without a single thread of factual data.
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What is really funny is all the people who are in such an uproar, then go to sites like Facebook, twitter, etc. and put all sorts of "private" info out for the world to see.
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